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**swede** · 04-03-2010, 03:04 PM

Here is my ranking of the drafts, best to worst:

2005 ARod, Nick Collins, Brady Pop (Most of us HATED the first two picks)
2000 Bubba, Chad Clifton, Na’il Diggs, KGB, Tauscher (Foundation of the OL for a decade)
2009 Raji, Matthews, TJ Lang, Quinn Johnson, Brandon Underwood, Brad Jones
2006 Hawk, Colledge, Jennings, Spitz (Jennings!)
2008 Nelson, Sitton, Finley, Flynn (Finley!)
2002 Javon Walker, Pooper, AK 74
2007 Harrel, BJack, Rouse, Barbre, Crosby, James Jones (Back ups, a kicker, yawn)
2003 Nick Barnett and Nothing (Bad)
2004 Waste two picks, Trade up for a punter, and Scott Wells (Worse)
2001 Jamaal Too Small Reynolds and The Fraud (Disaster)

Man, looking at this it really is a challenge to build a team through the draft.
The trend is up, but even TT had a tough outing in '07. We need another '09!

**wist43** · 04-03-2010, 03:44 PM

2009 - Grade B

1 B.J. Raji Boston College
1 Clay Matthews Southern Cal
4 T.J. Lang Eastern Michigan
5 Quinn Johnson LSU
5 Jamon Meredith South Carolina
6 Jarius Wynn Georgia
6 Brandon Underwood Cincinnati
7 Brad Jones Colorado

It's early, but I like this draft a lot - Raji, Matthews, and Lang are all keepers; and Jones and Underwood both have upside.

2008 - Grade C-

2 Jordy Nelson Kansas State
2 Brian Brohm Louisville
2 Patrick Lee Auburn
3 Jermichael Finley Texas
4 Jeremy Thompson Wake Forest
4 Josh Sitton Central Florida
5 Breno Giacomini Louisville
7 Matt Flynn Louisiana State
7 Brett Swain

Finley saves this draft; Sitton has upside; Nelson is okay. Lee looks like a bust. 3 2nd round picks and you come away with a #3/4 WR... not good.

2007 - Grade F

1 Justin Harrell Tennessee
2 Brandon Jackson Nebraska
3 James Jones San Jose State
3 Aaron Rouse Virginia Tech
4 Allen Barbre Missouri Southern State
5 David Clowney Virginia Tech
6 Korey Hall Boise State
6 Desmond Bishop California
6 Mason Crosby Colorado
7 DeShawn Wynn Florida
7 Clark Harris Rutgers

Not a single starter. 11 picks and all TT garnered was a 3rd down back.

2006 - Grade B-

1 A.J. Hawk Ohio State
2 Daryn Colledge Boise State
2 Greg Jennings Western Michigan
3 Abdul Hodge Iowa
3 Jason Spitz Louisville
4 Cory Rodgers Texas Christian
4 Will Blackmon Boston College
5 Ingle Martin Furman
5 Tony Moll Nevada
6 Johnny Jolly Texas A&M
6 Tyrone Culver Fresno State
7 Dave Tollefson Northwest Missouri State

Loved Hodge coming out, but his knees were shot; Hawk is a JAG, we've all been fighting over that pick since it was made; Jennings and Jolly make this draft.

2005 - Grade A

1 Aaron Rodgers California
2 Nick Collins Bethune-Cookman
2 Terrence Murphy Texas A&M
4 Marviel Underwood San Diego State
4 Brady Poppinga Brigham Young
5 Junius Coston North Carolina A&T
5 Michael Hawkins Oklahoma
6 Mike Montgomery Texas A&M
6 Craig Bragg UCLA
7 Kurt Campbell Albany (NY)
7 William Whitticker Michigan State

Have to give it an A b/c Rodgers panned out... I hated the pick at the time, and given how pathetic he looked early on, it looked like a whiff by TT, but Rodgers has gotten it figured out. QB's are impossible to project, so I don't ever really try, but if you land a pro bowl calibur guy - the rest of the draft can be crap, and you're still ahead of the game.

2004 - Grade D

1 Ahmad Carroll Arkansas
3 Joey Thomas Montana State
3 Donnell Washington Clemson
3 B.J. Sander Ohio State
6 Corey Williams Arkansas State
7 Scott Wells Tennessee

Williams has been okay... Wells has pictures of Sherman, TT, and McCarthy in compromising positions - everyone else was crap.

2003 - Grade D-

1 Nick Barnett Oregon State
3 Kenny Peterson Ohio State
5 James Lee Oregon State
5 Hunter Hillenmeyer Vanderbilt
6 Brennan Curtin Notre Dame
7 Chris Johnson Louisville
7 DeAndrew Rubin South Florida
7 Carl Ford Toledo
7 Steve Josue Carson-Newman

Still hate Barnett... Hillenmeyer caught on with Chicago, everyone else was crap.

2002 - Grade B-

1 Javon Walker Florida State
3 Marques Anderson UCLA
4 Najeh Davenport Miami (FL)
5 Aaron Kampmann Iowa
5 Craig Nall Northwestern State
6 Mike Houghton San Diego State

Walker should be the poster child for wasting God given talent... what happened in his head??? It's a shame, that guy could have had one hell of career. Kampman exceeded everyones expectations.

2001 - Grade F

1 Jamal Reynolds Florida State
2 Robert Ferguson Texas A&M
3 Bhawoh Jue Penn State
3 Torrance Marshall Oklahoma
4 Bill Ferrerio Wisconsin
6 David Martin Tennessee

No analysis necessary

2000 - Grade B+

1 Bubba Franks Miami (FL)
2 Chad Clifton Tennessee
3 Steve Warren Nebraska
4 Na'il Diggs Ohio State
4 Anthony Lucas Arkansas
4 Gary Berry Ohio State
5 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila San Diego State
5 Joey Jamison Texas Southern
7 Mark Tauscher Wisconsin
7 Ron Moore NW Oklahoma State
7 Charles Lee Central Florida
7 Eugene McCaslin Florida
7 Rondell Mealey Louisiana State

Clifton has had a very good career; KGB was very good off the edge for several years; Tauscher was always underrated IMO; Diggs and Franks were okay. Anytime you can solve both T positions for a decade in one draft... that's a good draft.

**Fritz** · 04-03-2010, 04:38 PM

Sherman mostly pooped the bed but a few gems here and there - Kampman, Barnett, Walker.

Ron Wolf's last draft - the Reynolds/Ferguson thing, was a fiasco.

**red** · 04-03-2010, 05:18 PM

man did sherman suck, and the end of wolf's run wasn't much better

really have to give credit to TT for rebuilding the roster from ground up, even if he did screw the pooch by drafting harrell and not drafting brandon flowers

**RashanGary** · 04-03-2010, 07:40 PM

That 2007 draft was a bad one for Thompson. There's still some development that could happen with Jones, Hall, Bishop and Crosby, but it's sure looking somewhere between an F and a low C at best.

**RashanGary** · 04-03-2010, 07:41 PM

Thompson has really turned this franchise around, and all of those good drafts don't really help immediately. They're just going to kick in now. If Thompson can stack a couple more good drafts, keep resigning his guys, make a move here and a move there. . . This team looks on track to a championship.

**wist43** · 04-03-2010, 07:42 PM

It is one thing to look back on drafts and judge them in hindsight... but, there can also be mitigating factors.

For me, it is all about winning SB's... some people like to be 9-7 to 10-6 every year, but with no real shot at winning it all; others don't care if we go from 12-4 to 4-12 as long as winning a SB is in that equation somewhere.

Back when Favre was nearing the end, I was all for selling out to take one last shot while we still had a franchise QB - hence my panning of Rodgers in the 1st round of 2005; now, 5 years later, we have a fairly solid roster again, Rodgers has a lot of tread left on the tires - so, standing pat and drafting straight away may make sense; but, in the interim we still have no titles.

That said, we may in fact be only a player or two away from a SB, and have perpetually been one of the youngest teams in the league for the past few years... does TT move up, for difference makers, or draft 17 guys again??

All in all TT has done a pretty good job... but still, we have no trophies to show for it. New Orleans was arguably futher behind us when TT interviewed Sean Payton... NO employed some different stategies - they have a trophy, we do not.

There is more than one way to skin a cat... where do we go from here??? It has been 13 years since we won the SB - the years have a way of ticking by.

**cheesner** · 04-03-2010, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by wist43

It is one thing to look back on drafts and judge them in hindsight... but, there can also be mitigating factors.

For me, it is all about winning SB's... some people like to be 9-7 to 10-6 every year, but with no real shot at winning it all; others don't care if we go from 12-4 to 4-12 as long as winning a SB is in that equation somewhere.

Back when Favre was nearing the end, I was all for selling out to take one last shot while we still had a franchise QB - hence my panning of Rodgers in the 1st round of 2005; now, 5 years later, we have a fairly solid roster again, Rodgers has a lot of tread left on the tires - so, standing pat and drafting straight away may make sense; but, in the interim we still have no titles.

That said, we may in fact be only a player or two away from a SB, and have perpetually been one of the youngest teams in the league for the past few years... does TT move up, for difference makers, or draft 17 guys again??

All in all TT has done a pretty good job... but still, we have no trophies to show for it. New Orleans was arguably futher behind us when TT interviewed Sean Payton... NO employed some different stategies - they have a trophy, we do not.

There is more than one way to skin a cat... where do we go from here??? It has been 13 years since we won the SB - the years have a way of ticking by.

28 teams have not won a superbowl since TT took over, the Packers being one of them.

I don't know of a single fan who is satisfied with 9 or 10 wins - the superbowl is the thing. If we were starting from scratch with a franchise like the Lions, 10 wins would be great. But we have higher expectations not because of our history, but because TT appears to be assembling a SB competitive team. And that is all you can really ask for. A team that can compete for the superbowl, too many variables in the equation to be confident of a SB. THe mightiest team of this generation, the Patriots nearly went undefeated, but in the end they came up short. Did that mean their GM was a failure that season?

Favre had a couple of seasons at the helm with a roster filled with stars and he only got it done 1 season. Another draft pick for a weapon here or there probably would not have helped. I can't help but think that if AR was our QB we probably would have won 2 or 3 SBs. We shall never know.

**RashanGary** · 04-03-2010, 09:29 PM

Just my opinion,

Ted has this team on track to be champions. It might not happen, but I think the Packers have as bright of a present and future of any team in the NFL. I like our chances.

**wist43** · 04-03-2010, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by cheesner

Originally posted by wist43

It is one thing to look back on drafts and judge them in hindsight... but, there can also be mitigating factors.

For me, it is all about winning SB's... some people like to be 9-7 to 10-6 every year, but with no real shot at winning it all; others don't care if we go from 12-4 to 4-12 as long as winning a SB is in that equation somewhere.

Back when Favre was nearing the end, I was all for selling out to take one last shot while we still had a franchise QB - hence my panning of Rodgers in the 1st round of 2005; now, 5 years later, we have a fairly solid roster again, Rodgers has a lot of tread left on the tires - so, standing pat and drafting straight away may make sense; but, in the interim we still have no titles.

That said, we may in fact be only a player or two away from a SB, and have perpetually been one of the youngest teams in the league for the past few years... does TT move up, for difference makers, or draft 17 guys again??

All in all TT has done a pretty good job... but still, we have no trophies to show for it. New Orleans was arguably futher behind us when TT interviewed Sean Payton... NO employed some different stategies - they have a trophy, we do not.

There is more than one way to skin a cat... where do we go from here??? It has been 13 years since we won the SB - the years have a way of ticking by.

28 teams have not won a superbowl since TT took over, the Packers being one of them.

I don't know of a single fan who is satisfied with 9 or 10 wins - the superbowl is the thing. If we were starting from scratch with a franchise like the Lions, 10 wins would be great. But we have higher expectations not because of our history, but because TT appears to be assembling a SB competitive team. And that is all you can really ask for. A team that can compete for the superbowl, too many variables in the equation to be confident of a SB. THe mightiest team of this generation, the Patriots nearly went undefeated, but in the end they came up short. Did that mean their GM was a failure that season?

Favre had a couple of seasons at the helm with a roster filled with stars and he only got it done 1 season. Another draft pick for a weapon here or there probably would not have helped. I can't help but think that if AR was our QB we probably would have won 2 or 3 SBs. We shall never know.

Simply put, as I said, there is more than one way to skin a cat... as I've said, I've had my disagreements with TT, and at the end of the day we have no trophies to show for his tenure - but at the same time, he's done a pretty good job.

As for picking up a "weapon here and there"... perhaps that is what is needed at a given point. If signing Darren Shaper as a FA wins you a SB, would you say, "nah, we can wait til next years draft to fill the hole"??? and of course forego a shot at the SB??? I point to NO, b/c they were at a similar place that we were, and have since won a SB; whereas we're still sucking wind.

Nothing is ever guarenteed... it is just debatable - where are we now??? are we close enough??? do we move up??? do we trade a high pick for a player??? do we sign a big money FA???

I, in fact, do believe we are close enough... go out and fill holes, and try to make a run. You can only be the youngest team years on running for so long before you're old and gray as a fan, but still rooting for the youngest team in the league...

I'm not saying making a FA splash, especially this year... just saying we are close enough that some bold maneuvering might be in order to get us over the top.

**The Leaper** · 04-03-2010, 09:58 PM

It would be nice to see a repeat of the 2000 draft this year. We could use a couple OTs who will be anchors on the OL for the next decade.

**ND72** · 04-03-2010, 10:07 PM

Re: Grade the Last Decade of Packer Drafts

2009
Rnd Name College Note
1 B.J. Raji Boston College
1 Clay Matthews Southern Cal
4 T.J. Lang Eastern Michigan
5 Quinn Johnson LSU
5 Jamon Meredith South Carolina
6 Jarius Wynn Georgia
6 Brandon Underwood Cincinnati
7 Brad Jones Colorado
Right now it appears this is the gem of Thompson's reign in GB. Raji looks legit. Matthews was a stud year 1. Lang appears to be a player. Quinn Johnson might not be kept off the fiel this year. I still like Brandon Underwood, and Brad Jones appears to be a steal. Since it's only been 1 year, I'm only giving this a B+, but will hopefully be an A+ in a few years.

2008
Rnd Name College Note
2 Jordy Nelson Kansas State
2 Brian Brohm Louisville
2 Patrick Lee Auburn
3 Jermichael Finley Texas
4 Jeremy Thompson Wake Forest
4 Josh Sitton Central Florida
5 Breno Giacomini Louisville
7 Matt Flynn Louisiana State
7 Brett Swain
Brohm could have been the key to this draft...but not for us. He could have been a guy we develop and trade like a Schaub or Hasselbeck. Sadly, he stunk. Jordy Nelson, I think, is close to breaking through and being a serious threat for us. Finley has star written all over him. Josh Sitton might be looked at in this draft as a Tauscher was looked at before. Patrick Lee can't stay healthy, and Jeremy Thompson is a huge question. Matt Flynn isn't great, but he has been decent as a backup. Luckily, we haven't had to find out (knock on wood). Grade here right now would be a B- with potential to be an A.

2007
Rnd Name College Note
1 Justin Harrell Tennessee
2 Brandon Jackson Nebraska
3 James Jones San Jose State
3 Aaron Rouse Virginia Tech
4 Allen Barbre Missouri Southern State
5 David Clowney Virginia Tech
6 Korey Hall Boise State
6 Desmond Bishop California
6 Mason Crosby Colorado
7 DeShawn Wynn Florida
7 Clark Harris Rutgers
Yeah, this hurt. This was almost a draft we had to have after 05 & 06...but all we got out of it was, well Mason Crosby. Harrell was a disaster, Jackson and Jones have been very serviceable, and it appears as though Bishop will be a good player. But the rest hurt. D+
This of the guys taken after Harrell, I would take any of these guys.
Leon Hall - Cincy
Michael Griffin - Titans
Aaron Ross - NY Giants
Reggie Nelson - Jags
Dwayne Bowe - Chiefs
Brandon Merriweather - Pats
Jon Beason - Panthers
Anthony Spencer - Cowboys
Joe Staley - 49ers
Ben Grubbs - Ravens

2006
Rnd Name College Note
1 A.J. Hawk Ohio State
2 Daryn Colledge Boise State
2 Greg Jennings Western Michigan
3 Abdul Hodge Iowa
3 Jason Spitz Louisville
4 Cory Rodgers Texas Christian
4 Will Blackmon Boston College
5 Ingle Martin Furman
5 Tony Moll Nevada
6 Johnny Jolly Texas A&M
6 Tyrone Culver Fresno State
7 Dave Tollefson Northwest Missouri State
No matter what anyone says, Hawk has been a solid player for us, and has signs of improvement in the 3-4. Colledge hasn't seemed to reach potential, Jennings is amazing, Hodge never reached potential, Spitz has done well, Blackmon has been solid in returns, Johnny Jolly seems to be on the brink of star level, and Tollefson has played well with other teams. Hawk, Jennings, and Spitz put this at an A-, Colledge drops it down, Hodge pulls it down. Grade would be a B/B+

2005
Rnd Name College Note
1 Aaron Rodgers California
2 Nick Collins Bethune-Cookman
2 Terrence Murphy Texas A&M
4 Marviel Underwood San Diego State
4 Brady Poppinga Brigham Young
5 Junius Coston North Carolina A&T
5 Michael Hawkins Oklahoma
6 Mike Montgomery Texas A&M
6 Craig Bragg UCLA
7 Kurt Campbell Albany (NY)
7 William Whitticker Michigan State
With Rodgers and Collins at the top, no matter what this draft has to be an A. If Murphy had not gotten injured, who knows where we'd be. Poopinga has over achieved, but Underwood and Coston never reached potential. A

2004
Rnd Name College Note
1 Ahmad Carroll Arkansas
3 Joey Thomas Montana State
3 Donnell Washington Clemson
3 B.J. Sander Ohio State
6 Corey Williams Arkansas State
7 Scott Wells Tennessee
Wow. All I remember was Donnell Washington was considered the steal of the draft....and he sucked. Scott Wells was all we got out of this draft? F

2003
Rnd Name College Note
1 Nick Barnett Oregon State
3 Kenny Peterson Ohio State
5 James Lee Oregon State
5 Hunter Hillenmeyer Vanderbilt
6 Brennan Curtin Notre Dame
7 Chris Johnson Louisville
7 DeAndrew Rubin South Florida
7 Carl Ford Toledo
7 Steve Josue Carson-Newman
YUCK. Chris Johnson finally came through, but for a different team, as did Hillenmeyer. Curtin and Peterson never reached potential. Barnett was a great pick. I remember when we took him all I wanted was Boss Bailey...i've learned the more I've wanted a guy and we drafted someone else, that's been good for us. D-

2002
Rnd Name College Note
1 Javon Walker Florida State
3 Marques Anderson UCLA
4 Najeh Davenport Miami (FL)
5 Aaron Kampmann Iowa
5 Craig Nall Northwestern State
6 Mike Houghton San Diego State
Kampman gives this an A. Walker, if he had stayed around gives it a high grade. Nall was a decent #3, Najeh gave a spark but never seemed to break free, and Anderson never reached potential. Grade of a B

2001
Rnd Name College Note
1 Jamal Reynolds Florida State
2 Robert Ferguson Texas A&M
3 Bhawoh Jue Penn State
3 Torrance Marshall Oklahoma
4 Bill Ferrerio Wisconsin
6 David Martin Tennessee
I mean seriously? F

2000
Rnd Name College Note
1 Bubba Franks Miami (FL)
2 Chad Clifton Tennessee
3 Steve Warren Nebraska
4 Na'il Diggs Ohio State
4 Anthony Lucas Arkansas
4 Gary Berry Ohio State
5 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila San Diego State
5 Joey Jamison Texas Southern
7 Mark Tauscher Wisconsin
7 Ron Moore NW Oklahoma State
7 Charles Lee Central Florida
7 Eugene McCaslin Florida
7 Rondell Mealey Louisiana State
Tauscher and Clifton are the steals of this draft and made a foundation for years. KGB was a huge find also. Franks was ok, but never stellar. Na'il Diggs did what he could do, but was never outstanding. Steve Warren, Anthony Lucas, and Joey Jamison never became what they had really hoped for. Guys who made a difference makes this an A draft, couple guys drop it down, B+[/b]

**cheesner** · 04-03-2010, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by wist43

Originally posted by cheesner

Originally posted by wist43

It is one thing to look back on drafts and judge them in hindsight... but, there can also be mitigating factors.

For me, it is all about winning SB's... some people like to be 9-7 to 10-6 every year, but with no real shot at winning it all; others don't care if we go from 12-4 to 4-12 as long as winning a SB is in that equation somewhere.

Back when Favre was nearing the end, I was all for selling out to take one last shot while we still had a franchise QB - hence my panning of Rodgers in the 1st round of 2005; now, 5 years later, we have a fairly solid roster again, Rodgers has a lot of tread left on the tires - so, standing pat and drafting straight away may make sense; but, in the interim we still have no titles.

That said, we may in fact be only a player or two away from a SB, and have perpetually been one of the youngest teams in the league for the past few years... does TT move up, for difference makers, or draft 17 guys again??

All in all TT has done a pretty good job... but still, we have no trophies to show for it. New Orleans was arguably futher behind us when TT interviewed Sean Payton... NO employed some different stategies - they have a trophy, we do not.

There is more than one way to skin a cat... where do we go from here??? It has been 13 years since we won the SB - the years have a way of ticking by.

28 teams have not won a superbowl since TT took over, the Packers being one of them.

I don't know of a single fan who is satisfied with 9 or 10 wins - the superbowl is the thing. If we were starting from scratch with a franchise like the Lions, 10 wins would be great. But we have higher expectations not because of our history, but because TT appears to be assembling a SB competitive team. And that is all you can really ask for. A team that can compete for the superbowl, too many variables in the equation to be confident of a SB. THe mightiest team of this generation, the Patriots nearly went undefeated, but in the end they came up short. Did that mean their GM was a failure that season?

Favre had a couple of seasons at the helm with a roster filled with stars and he only got it done 1 season. Another draft pick for a weapon here or there probably would not have helped. I can't help but think that if AR was our QB we probably would have won 2 or 3 SBs. We shall never know.

Simply put, as I said, there is more than one way to skin a cat... as I've said, I've had my disagreements with TT, and at the end of the day we have no trophies to show for his tenure - but at the same time, he's done a pretty good job.

As for picking up a "weapon here and there"... perhaps that is what is needed at a given point. If signing Darren Shaper as a FA wins you a SB, would you say, "nah, we can wait til next years draft to fill the hole"??? and of course forego a shot at the SB??? I point to NO, b/c they were at a similar place that we were, and have since won a SB; whereas we're still sucking wind.

Nothing is ever guarenteed... it is just debatable - where are we now??? are we close enough??? do we move up??? do we trade a high pick for a player??? do we sign a big money FA???

I, in fact, do believe we are close enough... go out and fill holes, and try to make a run. You can only be the youngest team years on running for so long before you're old and gray as a fan, but still rooting for the youngest team in the league...

I'm not saying making a FA splash, especially this year... just saying we are close enough that some bold maneuvering might be in order to get us over the top.

I wish winning the SB was as easy as a decision to spend money. To bad being a GM isn't that simplistic. There has to be consderation for team chemistry. There has to be a player available who wants to come to GB and he matches your system. Who knows? Maybe signing a bunch more FAs would 'get us over the top'. It just hasn't worked much in the real NFL. Yeah, Sharper and Brees worked out for NO. Picket and Woodson worked pretty good for GB also. There are 20 other teams who signed more FAs who did not do as well also.

**ND72** · 04-03-2010, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by cheesner

Originally posted by wist43

Originally posted by cheesner

Originally posted by wist43

It is one thing to look back on drafts and judge them in hindsight... but, there can also be mitigating factors.

For me, it is all about winning SB's... some people like to be 9-7 to 10-6 every year, but with no real shot at winning it all; others don't care if we go from 12-4 to 4-12 as long as winning a SB is in that equation somewhere.

Back when Favre was nearing the end, I was all for selling out to take one last shot while we still had a franchise QB - hence my panning of Rodgers in the 1st round of 2005; now, 5 years later, we have a fairly solid roster again, Rodgers has a lot of tread left on the tires - so, standing pat and drafting straight away may make sense; but, in the interim we still have no titles.

That said, we may in fact be only a player or two away from a SB, and have perpetually been one of the youngest teams in the league for the past few years... does TT move up, for difference makers, or draft 17 guys again??

All in all TT has done a pretty good job... but still, we have no trophies to show for it. New Orleans was arguably futher behind us when TT interviewed Sean Payton... NO employed some different stategies - they have a trophy, we do not.

There is more than one way to skin a cat... where do we go from here??? It has been 13 years since we won the SB - the years have a way of ticking by.

28 teams have not won a superbowl since TT took over, the Packers being one of them.

I don't know of a single fan who is satisfied with 9 or 10 wins - the superbowl is the thing. If we were starting from scratch with a franchise like the Lions, 10 wins would be great. But we have higher expectations not because of our history, but because TT appears to be assembling a SB competitive team. And that is all you can really ask for. A team that can compete for the superbowl, too many variables in the equation to be confident of a SB. THe mightiest team of this generation, the Patriots nearly went undefeated, but in the end they came up short. Did that mean their GM was a failure that season?

Favre had a couple of seasons at the helm with a roster filled with stars and he only got it done 1 season. Another draft pick for a weapon here or there probably would not have helped. I can't help but think that if AR was our QB we probably would have won 2 or 3 SBs. We shall never know.

Simply put, as I said, there is more than one way to skin a cat... as I've said, I've had my disagreements with TT, and at the end of the day we have no trophies to show for his tenure - but at the same time, he's done a pretty good job.

As for picking up a "weapon here and there"... perhaps that is what is needed at a given point. If signing Darren Shaper as a FA wins you a SB, would you say, "nah, we can wait til next years draft to fill the hole"??? and of course forego a shot at the SB??? I point to NO, b/c they were at a similar place that we were, and have since won a SB; whereas we're still sucking wind.

Nothing is ever guarenteed... it is just debatable - where are we now??? are we close enough??? do we move up??? do we trade a high pick for a player??? do we sign a big money FA???

I, in fact, do believe we are close enough... go out and fill holes, and try to make a run. You can only be the youngest team years on running for so long before you're old and gray as a fan, but still rooting for the youngest team in the league...

I'm not saying making a FA splash, especially this year... just saying we are close enough that some bold maneuvering might be in order to get us over the top.

I wish winning the SB was as easy as a decision to spend money. To bad being a GM isn't that simplistic. There has to be consderation for team chemistry. There has to be a player available who wants to come to GB and he matches your system. Who knows? Maybe signing a bunch more FAs would 'get us over the top'. It just hasn't worked much in the real NFL. Yeah, Sharper and Brees worked out for NO. Picket and Woodson worked pretty good for GB also. There are 20 other teams who signed more FAs who did not do as well also.

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