Packer Player Under Investigation In Sexual Assault

[retailguy]

So speculation so one sided it allows the poster to declare the result virtually conclusive is OK on the internet.

But pointing out the flaws in the conclusion is not OK on the internet?

JH merely painted a likely scenario based on what limited facts are given. The only conclusion he reached was that the situation was suspicious. If someone disagrees and wants to point out the flaws in that conclusion they should be able to do so without playing the sexist card on JH.

So you don't think posters earn reputations?

[Fritz]

Sure, but when is the shift over?

Especially for married guys, I don't think other players are ever going to get behind a guy having an orgy. Never gonna happen.

Scott, isn't that exactly what would happen at an orgy? Taking turns and all that?

[vince]

And if Matthews does not know anything about the incident (probably an overstatement, he probably saw something, even incidental) he would not help Underwood by providing details to the press. It is entirely possible that the players know nothing that would help exonerate Underwood if this is truly a he said-they said situation.

If Matthews wanted to show support for Underwood, he could have done so without giving details of what he knows to the press. He didn't want to do that. It doesn't mean that Underwood is guilty, that Matthews thinks he's guilty, or even that I think Underwood is guilty (I have no idea).

In my opinion, Matthews was less than supportive to Underwood. There are a lot of explanations for why he was that way.

[mngolf19]

A little off topic...I was reading one of the blogs on JSO about this and I made the mistake of reading the reader comments. Why is it that only morons post there? I get so upset reading those, but sometimes I can't stop myself. It's like gruesome crime scene photos. You know they're going to disturb you but you just have to look.

That's why I'm here.

[swede]

Sure, but when is the shift over?

Especially for married guys, I don't think other players are ever going to get behind a guy having an orgy. Never gonna happen.

Scott, isn't that exactly what would happen at an orgy? Taking turns and all that?

I think tim Allen's POV is instructive here.

[vince]

I'm referring to the video on JSO pb. Matthews refers to the incident putting a black eye on the weekend. All the words I quoted were from the video, and they all referred to the effect of Underwood's actions on others.

Being in this situation, whether he's a sex criminal or not, is not up to the standards of the ticket holders. Teh Packers probably talked to these guys about how bad this makes them look, told them what not to say (so as not to offend certain groups) and gave them some suggested punch lines. If Underwood is not guilty, this is still a check against him. It just amkes the Packers look bad, PERIOD.

All guys are following a similar suit. Nobody's saying anything that has a chance to be used negatively. That's not accident. The Packers PR machine works and works well.

I tend to think Matthews was speaking a little bit more off the cuff than you seem to be suggesting JH, but there's no doubt that they are separating themselves from him by their words here. It's quite possible that the team has coached them to do that, which would also be telling regarding Underwood's future. It'll be interesting to see the extent to which McCarthy shows support for his player here. He recently called Jolly a member of the "family" or something to that effect. Sexual assault allegations have deeper ramifications than even drug trafficking allegations I'd say.

[Fritz]

Sad insofar as MM was talking Underwood up as having worked hard and learned some things in the offseason about growing up.

I did not know Underwood was married. Oops. How's that going to work with the wife? "Honest, honey, I didn't rape them. It was a consensual three way!"

I am glad I am not Brandon Underwood.

[Scott Campbell]

He's accused of assaulting them. Matthews can't defend what Underwood admitted to doing. What Underwood needs defending from is what he's accused of doing but he denies. If Matthews thought otherwise, he could have suggested that he was confident that things would turn out OK for him in some way.

I think it would be inappropriate to comment prior to charges being filed.

[Scott Campbell]

Sure, but when is the shift over?

Especially for married guys, I don't think other players are ever going to get behind a guy having an orgy. Never gonna happen.

Scott, isn't that exactly what would happen at an orgy? Taking turns and all that?

[vince]

Here's a new spin... The girls possibly really were whores, or at least exotic dancers for hire...

http://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/packers-have-a-tough-decsion-on-underwood

Packers Have A Tough Decsion On Underwood
By Aaron Nagler on Jun 07, 2010 with 30 Comments

Yes, Brandon Underwood is innocent until proven guilty. Yes, the young player has shown promise and plays a position where the Packers need all the help they can get.

But it’s pretty clear that, as of right now, Underwood is not the most popular guy on the team. On the contrary, reading between the lines – it sure sounds like his teammates hate the guy.

From Clay Matthews:
"One person’s misjudgment really put a damper on it. Hopefully this doesn’t put a black eye on the tournament and the foundation, but I think for the most part I think it worked out this year, and next year, just be a little more careful. Hopefully we can learn from this and make correct decisions next time."

That, my friends, is the cleaned up, nice, ready-for-the-press version of what Matthews and his teammates are saying about Underwood possibly hiring prostitutes (yes, that’s the word on the street) at a charity event. Off the record, the guys whose names were in the paper in relation to this incident are beyond pissed.

And this is a guy who apparently was not well liked BEFORE this all happened.

Now, teams are always going to have fractions and cliques inside them. That’s just human nature. And players can play with guys they hate – as long as they shut up and do their job.

I would look for the Packers to make a move sometime in the near future, whether it be a trade or a veteran free agent pickup, to bolster the secondary. The Packers used their draft to gird themselves for whatever is going to happen with Johnny Jolly – they don’t have that luxury now.

Of course the Packers could and probably will keep Underwood on the roster – for now. But don’t be shocked if he’s out the door sometime before or during training camp.

[vince]

Charges appear unlikely... too much "contradictory information."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37553469

Police Chief: Sex Assault Charges on Packers Player Could Be "Problematic"

Lake Delton's police chief said Monday sexual assault charges against a Packers player could be problematic because there's too much contradictory information. The Journal Sentinel cites sources saying that the player is CB Brandon Underwood.

MILWAUKEE - Lake Delton's police chief said Monday sexual assault charges against a Packers player could be problematic because there's too much contradictory information between the alleged victims and accused suspect. The police chief did not identify the player, though the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel cites three sources saying that the player is cornerback Brandon Underwood. Chief Tom Dorner says police aren't making a recommendation on charges. They'll simply turn over the police reports to Sauk County District Attorney Patricia Barrett, most likely Tuesday. Dorner says he will ask Barrett to expedite the case because of it's high profile nature. Seven Packers players were participating in a charity golf outing in Wisconsin Dells during the weekend and stayed together in a condo in nearby Lake Delton. Early Saturday morning police received a report that two Milwaukee women, ages 31 and 33, who'd met the players hours earlier at a bar had been sexually assaulted. The seven players were questioned by police and six were cleared.

Police said the six cleared players were backup quarterback Matt Flynn, safety Khalil Jones, guard Josh Sitton, fullback Korey Hall, linebacker Brad Jones and linebacker Clay Matthews. Dorner says police didn't believe they had enough probable cause to arrest the seventh player.

[RashanGary]

If this is true, the dots connect a little cleaner.

But prostitution more damning than sexual assault. Come on, Vince. Sexual assault is a horrible, violent crime. Paid sex, that's wrong, but should not be against the law IMHO.

[vince]

If this is true, the dots connect a little cleaner.

But prostitution more damning than sexual assault. Come on, Vince. Sexual assault is a horrible, violent crime. Paid sex, that's wrong, but should not be against the law IMHO.

I'm not saying that. He's still accused of sexual assault regardless. I'm saying that hiring prostitutes to come in is more damning than meeting a couple ladies at the bar and inviting them to the condo.

[Joemailman]

at, my friends, is the cleaned up, nice, ready-for-the-press version of what Matthews and his teammates are saying about Underwood possibly hiring prostitutes (yes, that’s the word on the street) at a charity event. Off the record, the guys whose names were in the paper in relation to this incident are beyond pissed.

They may well be prostitutes, but the evidence is flimsy at best at this point. If they are, that makes Underwood look really bad, but makes it easier for him to make the case that any sex was consensual. The other problem though, is that prostitution is illegal, so perhaps Underwood is guilty of hiring a prostitute. Wasn't Matthews the one who rented the condo? If so, does he have any responsibility for what happens there? It could partially explain why he seems really ticked off.

[vince]

Prostitutes or not, both his wife and the Packers have a tough decision to make. The Packers will be put through the public wringer regardless of what they do.

What a dumbfuck. And I don't use that term lightly.