Concerns for 2010 (No Particular Order)

[falco]

The things you guys are talking about in this thread are not "issues", they're excuses.

This might be a long shot, but perhaps its just packer fans discussing things they are worried about this year, and not a conspiracy of people hedging their bets for when you try to make them eat crow???

[retailguy]

Ted has installed his chosen players into each area of this team.

Sorry RG, but when I read chosen, in my head you are making finger quotes and rolling your eyes. I also cannot believe that you still think OL is the biggest concern for the team.

Whether you have finger quotes or not isn't the point.

He's done rebuilding! It's done. It's over. They're back. There will ALWAYS be roster moves, because people get old and injured.

When you finish the rebuilding, you win. That's the way it works. Every position has been scrutinized, analyzed and discussed in these rooms.

Every single Ted selection has been defended, and sometimes, criticized.

Point is, "we got the team we have". Ted built it. He believes we can win, so let's stop talking about excuses and play the damn games.

The season you all told me was coming IS beginning. There are no reasons it should not be successful. There are no reasons that we won't be playing a game, in Dallas in February.

This team is ready. You all have told me that, and I believe you. Whether there are "air quotes" or not.

The OL has been this teams achilles heel for the past 3 seasons. It has been the driving factor to slow starts the past two years. It will be the driving factor to a slow start this year too. We go as far as the OL goes. Our biggest asset stands behind that OL. It is of the ultimate importance.

[retailguy]

Well, your post settles it then.

2-14, here we come.


How about

'Z' - We're fine there! or "We've got some depth that can play".

The things you guys are talking about in this thread are not "issues", they're excuses.

Your shoving words into people's mouths.

Just a suggestion - Maybe you should re-read your posts from the past two years? That's the way it works around here. You don't like it? TOUGH SHIT.

[retailguy]

Now, watching those who for the past FOUR years touted Ted's GENIUS work ethic, his "can do no wrong" moves, his quiet "passion" for the GM position, start to back off their bold predictions, it is HILARIOUS.

IMHO, that is not representative of the current topic or most posters' statements regarding TT. Genius is almost always thrown about by people making straw man arguments, not by people on the other side. This thread is about concerns, it is not about "backing off" of anything. It is entirely reasonable for people to have concerns about their team, even when they expect them to succeed.

And if the biggest "concerns" (air quotes) we have are the 3rd cornerback and the holder we're in pretty great shape! (aren't we?)

[retailguy]

The things you guys are talking about in this thread are not "issues", they're excuses.

This might be a long shot, but perhaps its just packer fans discussing things they are worried about this year, and not a conspiracy of people hedging their bets for when you try to make them eat crow???

Of course you MUST be right. You're ALWAYS right.

It also could be a bunch of chicken littles too, but let's dismiss that. After all, you never know when a refrigerator might fall from the sky and kill Finley. Then we'd be fucked you know.

[sharpe1027]

Well, your post settles it then.

2-14, here we come.


How about

'Z' - We're fine there! or "We've got some depth that can play".

The things you guys are talking about in this thread are not "issues", they're excuses.

Your shoving words into people's mouths.

Just a suggestion - Maybe you should re-read your posts from the past two years? That's the way it works around here. You don't like it? TOUGH SHIT.

Feel free to find my posts saying TT is a genius. Go nuts trying finding me saying they'll be unstoppable this year and then backing off of that. Short of that, you are full of shit.

[retailguy]

When did RetailGuy and JustinHarrell trade personas??

Father Justin been preaching at me fa years brotha. I believe him. I do. Cant you see the light! It's damn bright!!! Jesus is coming! and bringin' a Supa Bowl title back to GB. You just watch my brotha! February is coming and so is SB #4 for the GB Packers!

Ted for President! (Hell, Ted for DICTATOR!)

[retailguy]

Well, your post settles it then.

2-14, here we come.


How about

'Z' - We're fine there! or "We've got some depth that can play".

The things you guys are talking about in this thread are not "issues", they're excuses.

Your shoving words into people's mouths.

Just a suggestion - Maybe you should re-read your posts from the past two years? That's the way it works around here. You don't like it? TOUGH SHIT.

Feel free to find my posts saying TT is a genius. Go nuts trying finding me saying they'll be unstoppable this year and then backing off of that. Short of that, you are full of shit.

:P Whatever dude.

[sharpe1027]

:P Whatever dude.

Thought so.

[Tarlam!]

RG, what is your message?

TT is a failure if they don't win it all this year? Sorry, but that's very closed minded.

[Fritz]

Ted has installed his chosen players into each area of this team.

Sorry RG, but when I read chosen, in my head you are making finger quotes and rolling your eyes. I also cannot believe that you still think OL is the biggest concern for the team.

Whether you have finger quotes or not isn't the point.

He's done rebuilding! It's done. It's over. They're back. There will ALWAYS be roster moves, because people get old and injured.

When you finish the rebuilding, you win. That's the way it works. Every position has been scrutinized, analyzed and discussed in these rooms.

Every single Ted selection has been defended, and sometimes, criticized.

Point is, "we got the team we have". Ted built it. He believes we can win, so let's stop talking about excuses and play the damn games.

The season you all told me was coming IS beginning. There are no reasons it should not be successful. There are no reasons that we won't be playing a game, in Dallas in February.

This team is ready. You all have told me that, and I believe you. Whether there are "air quotes" or not.

The OL has been this teams achilles heel for the past 3 seasons. It has been the driving factor to slow starts the past two years. It will be the driving factor to a slow start this year too. We go as far as the OL goes. Our biggest asset stands behind that OL. It is of the ultimate importance.

Just as players get testy after training camp has dragged on and the season has yet to begin, so do fans. We are ready for the season to begin. Thus, we while away the time by querying each other about who will be the surprise player this year, who will be most improved, what our weaknesses might be, and so on.

The fans need the games to begin too, it seems. I'm excited for the season and this team. I'm feeling some trepidation about the defense, but I am hopeful that the team will not suffer too many injuries and that the defense will come together.

[pbmax]

The OL has been this teams achilles heel for the past 3 seasons. It has been the driving factor to slow starts the past two years. It will be the driving factor to a slow start this year too. We go as far as the OL goes. Our biggest asset stands behind that OL. It is of the ultimate importance.

I disagree. We go as far as the defense goes. Injuries could change that calculus, but that is how I see it now.

And while I like the Left Tackle depth, the new safety and DE, this year's version of the team has a repeat of a question that was asked last year: How will the starting CB hold up?

Last year we were worried about scheme. This year, health.

[pbmax]

RG, what is your message?

TT is a failure if they don't win it all this year? Sorry, but that's very closed minded.

The message (I believe) is a disapproval of Thompson's player acquisition strategy. It has been applied (quite logically to the O line in years past) this year to find cause for concern at CB.

Essentially, RG has used several posts and unintentional sarcasm to declare that the lack of another starting/nickel CB is further indication of Thompson's lack of thoroughness, or perhaps, too much trust in his players or coaches.

Those who broach this topic and who have previously defended Thompson are being reminded of just who was right all along.

However, I think he truly finds concern about the holder to be not worthy of a post.

[get louder at lambeau]

You OK, retail? You take your meds?

[sharpe1027]

Re: Concerns for 2010 (No Particular Order)

1. ILB next to Barnett. Bishop is not the answer. Can Chillar play an entire season at this position? Can Hawk start forcing turnovers? Is Hawk second team?

2. Tramon Williams. Obviously the dude is going to be picked-on. Against better receivers he is consistently beat.

3. Nickel db. Maybe its Shields. Underwood makes too many mistakes. Lee is okay but has not stepped-up.

4. Backup to Grant. Jackson gets hurt and fumbles. The other 2 are unproven in the regular season.

5. Returners except for Blackmon.

Omissions or deletions?

#1 by a large margin, for me at least, pass rush.