Concerns for 2010 (No Particular Order)

[retailguy]

RG, what is your message?

TT is a failure if they don't win it all this year? Sorry, but that's very closed minded.

The message (I believe) is a disapproval of Thompson's player acquisition strategy. It has been applied (quite logically to the O line in years past) this year to find cause for concern at CB.

Essentially, RG has used several posts and unintentional sarcasm to declare that the lack of another starting/nickel CB is further indication of Thompson's lack of thoroughness, or perhaps, too much trust in his players or coaches.

Those who broach this topic and who have previously defended Thompson are being reminded of just who was right all along.

However, I think he truly finds concern about the holder to be not worthy of a post.

Umm. No. Not at all.

My message is directed SOLELY at this forum. I am saying nothing different than what was said to me for the past 3 years.

Everytime I raised a concern I was told either I was nuts, or, just wait a few years and it'd go away. Guess what? We're there.

I have no complaints with Ted and personnel selection, I've said that many times. My complaints rest with the rest of the GM job. I don't think he's a strong leader and I think some of his hiring decisions are questionable. His media personna is abysmal, and I really dislike him as an individual.

So, his team, his people, his strong suit (personnel). We should win. I believe that. And I'm not taking any excuses as to why we don't win. As I've said before, if 8 starters go down, like happened in '01? Ok, THEN we talk injuries. Today? No point to these discussions.

You got issues with this team? You're nuts. We're ready to win! 19-0. You heard it here first.

Funny, I must have just imagined that posted list of OLBs you thought Thompson failed to consider from a month or so ago. I am glad you have found peace with his approach.

Good to hear you are onboard. Congratulations!

But just remember. Even great teams can fail to achieve a Super Bowl win, just ask the 2007 Patriots. Or the 1997 Packers.

But really, doesn't that fit with my comments on his approach to free agency? What risk would we have run to bring in Thomas to see if we could generate competition at OLB? We're a little vulnerable there. Sacrificing Poppinga's or Bishop's training camp roster spot really wouldn't have changed things all that much, would it? Are you thrilled about Matthew's move to the left? If Thomas could have generated any push at all, it would have negated the need for that move.

I think I'm being incredibly consistent here. At the end of the day, it isn't the path that Ted & staff chose, so I have to accept it, right?

Today, we've got the players we have. I don't believe there will be any cut down day trades, but if there are, those are not likely to contribute in a meaningful way towards this seasons performance on the field. You can only get so many Ryan Grant's after all....

[retailguy]

My complaints rest with the rest of the GM job. I don't think he's a strong leader and I think some of his hiring decisions are questionable. His media personna is abysmal, and I really dislike him as an individual.

Really, you dislike the individual? You are smarter than this. I have never thought of you as one of those deluded folks who believe the people they see on TV or hear on the radio are really a part of their lives. Like their neighbor or best friend. That they really can tell from the public's perspective that someone is a good person, well meaning or misunderstood, or plain evil.

Why can't you just dislike the approach? You aren't necessarily wrong if the team has a good season and I believe some of your criticism has merit. Why make it personal and an either-or proposition?

Ted hides behind secrecy at unnecessary times. I do not believe that communicating fairly with the media, even on occasion, would harm this team. Yet, it goes on and on and on.

I believe it speaks to his character. That's why I said what I said. Would be happy to be wrong, but I've been watching it for 4 years now and it doesn't change. I honestly think he enjoys saying nothing. The fact he does it for no reason (or very little reason) pisses me off.

[get louder at lambeau]

RG, what is your message?

TT is a failure if they don't win it all this year? Sorry, but that's very closed minded.

The message (I believe) is a disapproval of Thompson's player acquisition strategy. It has been applied (quite logically to the O line in years past) this year to find cause for concern at CB.

Essentially, RG has used several posts and unintentional sarcasm to declare that the lack of another starting/nickel CB is further indication of Thompson's lack of thoroughness, or perhaps, too much trust in his players or coaches.

Those who broach this topic and who have previously defended Thompson are being reminded of just who was right all along.

However, I think he truly finds concern about the holder to be not worthy of a post.

Umm. No. Not at all.

My message is directed SOLELY at this forum. I am saying nothing different than what was said to me for the past 3 years.

Everytime I raised a concern I was told either I was nuts, or, just wait a few years and it'd go away. Guess what? We're there.

I have no complaints with Ted and personnel selection, I've said that many times. My complaints rest with the rest of the GM job. I don't think he's a strong leader and I think some of his hiring decisions are questionable. His media personna is abysmal, and I really dislike him as an individual.

So, his team, his people, his strong suit (personnel). We should win. I believe that. And I'm not taking any excuses as to why we don't win. As I've said before, if 8 starters go down, like happened in '01? Ok, THEN we talk injuries. Today? No point to these discussions.

You got issues with this team? You're nuts. We're ready to win! 19-0. You heard it here first.

Funny, I must have just imagined that posted list of OLBs you thought Thompson failed to consider from a month or so ago. I am glad you have found peace with his approach.

Good to hear you are onboard. Congratulations!

But just remember. Even great teams can fail to achieve a Super Bowl win, just ask the 2007 Patriots. Or the 1997 Packers.

But really, doesn't that fit with my comments on his approach to free agency? What risk would we have run to bring in Thomas to see if we could generate competition at OLB? We're a little vulnerable there. Sacrificing Poppinga's or Bishop's training camp roster spot really wouldn't have changed things all that much, would it? Are you thrilled about Matthew's move to the left? If Thomas could have generated any push at all, it would have negated the need for that move.

I think I'm being incredibly consistent here. At the end of the day, it isn't the path that Ted & staff chose, so I have to accept it, right?

Today, we've got the players we have. I don't believe there will be any cut down day trades, but if there are, those are not likely to contribute in a meaningful way towards this seasons performance on the field. You can only get so many Ryan Grant's after all....

You just said you have no complaints with Thompson on personnel, then voiced a complaint, then said "I think I'm being incredibly consistent here."

[Brandon494]

retailguy = fail

[pbmax]

But really, doesn't that fit with my comments on his approach to free agency? What risk would we have run to bring in Thomas to see if we could generate competition at OLB? We're a little vulnerable there. Sacrificing Poppinga's or Bishop's training camp roster spot really wouldn't have changed things all that much, would it? Are you thrilled about Matthew's move to the left? If Thomas could have generated any push at all, it would have negated the need for that move.

Well, Thomas has never been the pass rushing beast he was in Baltimore. But I know what you mean.

However, given that he has received zero camp invites, he is obviously asking for starter's money. Because a camp invite means that salary becomes guaranteed the first Week of the season, and it seems no one wants that salary on the books the whole year.

So you bring in a backup at starters salary to compete with younger players and starters who resent the salary. Is the benefit worth the risk?

I think a better case can be made at one of Wolf's must have positions (QB, LT, DE/DT, CB). I would not have blinked if he spent a boatload on a free agent CB like he did with Woodson. But he must like someone in the group of Underwood/Lee/Shields. But it all comes down to the prognosis on Harris's return.

[retailguy]

But really, doesn't that fit with my comments on his approach to free agency? What risk would we have run to bring in Thomas to see if we could generate competition at OLB? We're a little vulnerable there. Sacrificing Poppinga's or Bishop's training camp roster spot really wouldn't have changed things all that much, would it? Are you thrilled about Matthew's move to the left? If Thomas could have generated any push at all, it would have negated the need for that move.

Well, Thomas has never been the pass rushing beast he was in Baltimore. But I know what you mean.

However, given that he has received zero camp invites, he is obviously asking for starter's money. Because a camp invite means that salary becomes guaranteed the first Week of the season, and it seems no one wants that salary on the books the whole year.

So you bring in a backup at starters salary to compete with younger players and starters who resent the salary. Is the benefit worth the risk?

I think a better case can be made at one of Wolf's must have positions (QB, LT, DE/DT, CB). I would not have blinked if he spent a boatload on a free agent CB like he did with Woodson. But he must like someone in the group of Underwood/Lee/Shields. But it all comes down to the prognosis on Harris's return.

I agree with both statements. What I didn't see out of Thomas' camp is that Green Bay even came sniffing around. I don't believe they'd have kept that quiet.

So, we either weren't interested, or, somehow knew he was asking for starter money.

I didn't advocate starter money at the time, and don't now. Incentives? Sure. Make it look like starter money if the guy produces, if not, cut him.

The CB thing bugs me, but I'm mostly OK with it. We have three good corners. That's better than most teams. Right now, nickel back is weak, but when you have an injury that's what happens. Dime back is especially weak, I think Harvey pointed that out earlier.

But still. You have to play what you've got. Would have been nice to bring in another starter but probably not realistic. A 3rd corner? That was realistic, and if it wasn't considered you've gotta hope they know more about Harris than they're saying.

Nonetheless, we have what we have.

[retailguy]

You just said you have no complaints with Thompson on personnel, then voiced a complaint, then said "I think I'm being incredibly consistent here."

You're trying to make something out of nothing. I know it's difficult, but do try to keep up. ok?

[retailguy]

retailguy = fail

If you closely examine the results of your player evaluations and your prognosticating talent, this is the nicest thing you could have said to me. It virtually guarantees that my predictions will be without fail.

[RashanGary]

retailguy = fail

If you closely examine the results of your player evaluations and your prognosticating talent, this is the nicest thing you could have said to me. It virtually guarantees that my predictions will be without fail.

What is your prediction?

[Brandon494]

Ok man, your freaking out because we have concerns about our team and your trying to put it on TT for not building a perfect team. Pick out any team and I'll point out a weakness. I wanted TT to go after a CB and pass rusher this offseason as well but you ever think that the top players don't want to come to Green Bay? Your not going to build a winner thru FA in Green Bay because honestly non of the top players want to come here. Even Woodson didn't want to play for us but we were the only team to give him a big offer. Your also not going to build a winner in GB by signing a bunch of has beens like Adalius Thomas.

[denverYooper]

My complaints rest with the rest of the GM job. I don't think he's a strong leader and I think some of his hiring decisions are questionable. His media personna is abysmal, and I really dislike him as an individual.

Really, you dislike the individual? You are smarter than this. I have never thought of you as one of those deluded folks who believe the people they see on TV or hear on the radio are really a part of their lives. Like their neighbor or best friend. That they really can tell from the public's perspective that someone is a good person, well meaning or misunderstood, or plain evil.

Why can't you just dislike the approach? You aren't necessarily wrong if the team has a good season and I believe some of your criticism has merit. Why make it personal and an either-or proposition?

Ted hides behind secrecy at unnecessary times. I do not believe that communicating fairly with the media, even on occasion, would harm this team. Yet, it goes on and on and on.

I believe it speaks to his character. That's why I said what I said. Would be happy to be wrong, but I've been watching it for 4 years now and it doesn't change. I honestly think he enjoys saying nothing. The fact he does it for no reason (or very little reason) pisses me off.

Maybe Ted's just an introvert.

[get louder at lambeau]

You just said you have no complaints with Thompson on personnel, then voiced a complaint, then said "I think I'm being incredibly consistent here."

You're trying to make something out of nothing. I know it's difficult, but do try to keep up. ok?

I'm not trying to make anything out of anything. I'm just laughing at you.

[MichiganPackerFan]

The OL has been this teams achilles heel for the past 3 seasons. It has been the driving factor to slow starts the past two years. It will be the driving factor to a slow start this year too. We go as far as the OL goes. Our biggest asset stands behind that OL. It is of the ultimate importance.

I totally buy that. Games are won and lost in the trenches. Can't wait to see what we've got!

[retailguy]

retailguy = fail

If you closely examine the results of your player evaluations and your prognosticating talent, this is the nicest thing you could have said to me. It virtually guarantees that my predictions will be without fail.

What is your prediction?

Well, there have been a number in this thread, but lets stick with 2 for now, ok?

19-0

This team goes as far as the OL takes them.

[retailguy]

You just said you have no complaints with Thompson on personnel, then voiced a complaint, then said "I think I'm being incredibly consistent here."

You're trying to make something out of nothing. I know it's difficult, but do try to keep up. ok?

I'm not trying to make anything out of anything. I'm just laughing at you.

Wow, I thought you were more on the ball than that. More than a few are now laughing at you.