WR Coach disses JJ - Says to Cheat

[pbmax]

Now there our homer views and coming back to earth we just might be realizing

we DON'T have the best 1-2-3-4 punch in the NFL at WR

I'm not sure where we are; but they don't look much over average as a group to me

Season is not over yet Napoleon.

EDIT: Man, that joke (judging too soon) doesn't work. Someone finish it for me, will ya?

[mission]

Tar, bud... this is just one of those lost-in-translation things here.

You can't compare it to soccer and an instant tossing of a player. Guys get booted they're flying it tackling at guys' knees and there's the whole injury factor. Where would you draw the line? If a CB got beat deep and tackled a guy early so he wouldn't score a TD do you kick him out too?

[The Leaper]

+1.

Jones has failed in a big way this year. He has been targeted the most and done very little with this opportunity.

I think Jordy all but supplanted him as the #3 by the end of the Miami game. Jordy was the one grabbing passes late in that game...didn't see much of Jones after he gave up on that INT.

[mission]

+1.

Jones has failed in a big way this year. He has been targeted the most and done very little with this opportunity.

I think Jordy all but supplanted him as the #3 by the end of the Miami game. Jordy was the one grabbing passes late in that game...didn't see much of Jones after he gave up on that INT.

Jordy is just as bad. Too many drops.

[The Leaper]

I'm not sure where we are; but they don't look much over average as a group to me

They are better than average...but they aren't an elite unit unless you bring the TEs into the equation. Our WRs with Finley have an argument for being an elite group of receivers.

Jennings is probably about the 15th best WR in the game....easily top 10 in playmaking, but he ain't consistent enough to be an elite WR. He would disappear on a lesser team without a solid QB.

Driver is probably around 35th best. He's still good enough to be a #1 WR on an awful receiving corp...and he's a slightly above average #2 receiver. He gives his all...but his all just ain't what it used to be.

Jordy is probably around 55th best. Like Driver, the kid gives it his all...but just doesn't have the talent of others. He runs reliable routes and has pretty good hands. Yeah, he's a lousy kick returner...so what? It ain't his fault Thompson doesn't bring in an actual returner at some point. As a receiver, I think the kid is better than Jones because of effort and reliability. He could be a #2 receiver on a few poor squads. His ceiling probably isn't much higher than this though.

Jones is probably about 75th best...he's a solid #3 receiver in my book. He's got solid #2 talent, but he's got to focus on the mental aspect of the game and not playing lazy.

Overall, that is better than average...there aren't many teams that can go 4 deep and have a top 75 receiver. However, since Jennings isn't elite and the rest are merely solid at their slots, it isn't an elite group either. Probably about the 6th-10th best WR group as a whole.

[The Leaper]

Jordy is just as bad. Too many drops.

He's only had 2 official drops this season...and he's caught 62% of the passes thrown to him. That isn't all bad. Jones has only caught 56% of the passes thrown to him this year, Jennings 53%, Driver 72%.

I don't get the argument that Jordy drops a bunch of passes. It is a fallacy. He's technically our 2nd most reliable receiver after Driver...but Driver has twice the drops that Jordy has this year.

Now, if you want to get on him for return fumbles...fine...but he shouldn't be a returner to begin with. As a receiver, the guy is light years ahead of Jones in ball security and effort.

[Bretsky]

I'm not sure where we are; but they don't look much over average as a group to me

They are better than average...but they aren't an elite unit unless you bring the TEs into the equation. Our WRs with Finley have an argument for being an elite group of receivers.

Jennings is probably about the 15th best WR in the game....easily top 10 in playmaking, but he ain't consistent enough to be an elite WR. He would disappear on a lesser team without a solid QB.

Driver is probably around 35th best. He's still good enough to be a #1 WR on an awful receiving corp...and he's a slightly above average #2 receiver. He gives his all...but his all just ain't what it used to be.

Jordy is probably around 55th best. Like Driver, the kid gives it his all...but just doesn't have the talent of others. He runs reliable routes and has pretty good hands. Yeah, he's a lousy kick returner...so what? It ain't his fault Thompson doesn't bring in an actual returner at some point. As a receiver, I think the kid is better than Jones because of effort and reliability. He could be a #2 receiver on a few poor squads. His ceiling probably isn't much higher than this though.

Jones is probably about 75th best...he's a solid #3 receiver in my book. He's got solid #2 talent, but he's got to focus on the mental aspect of the game and not playing lazy.

Overall, that is better than average...there aren't many teams that can go 4 deep and have a top 75 receiver. However, since Jennings isn't elite and the rest are merely solid at their slots, it isn't an elite group either. Probably about the 6th-10th best WR group as a whole.

Honestly I agree with all of this; I was at the game Sunday and became very frustrated when I witnessed our WR's covered consistently like a blanket. They were not getting open.

Jennings still runs solid routes. Jones is sloppy. Jordy is normal, and DD really was getting handled most of the game so I'm moe down on all of them than I should be.

Today at work I commented I was worried DD was turning into a average #2 and they challenged me to list the #2's better than him and I could only throw 5-7 out there I'd rather have. So about 35 is good for him

Good analysis you provided

[curtis loew]

Ugh, I had forgotten all about Fergy but JJ is a close clone this season.

I really like what Robinson says here; I prefer "Tuna" coaching - really tough and determined. Maybe Robinson should refer with a "she" about the wuziness of Packers receivers :P

I had a Fergy sighting...caught a couple TD's from Jeff Garcia in the UFL or whatever that is.

I was going to make a crack about him playing for Omaha...it might be true????

Can't believe Garcia is doing that though. Sad, he had a good long career, with a couple of Pro Bowls, a couple of rings up here in Canada. Why would he drop to that level?

edit: wiki page says he is indeed there, handing off the ball to Ahmed Greene! No word if Fergy's catching passes over there though.

http://www.ufl-football.com/omaha-nighthawks/player-roster

Lots of ex-nfl on this roster. Fergy, garcia, ahman green, cato june, maurice clarett, probably some more I missed as I scanned the list.

[packerbacker1234]

There are smart penalties, and bad penalties. Him doing what it takes to break up an int is a smart penalty.

Woodson actually had a simlarily smart penalty in one of the passes prior to ot the last two weeks. He tripped a guy down before teh ball was thrown. Said player looked to be opening up the sidelinbe for another player, but was unable to do so due to falling down in front of him. Not only did it prevent a completed pass along the sidelines, it was just a 5 yard foul, if memory serves me correct, and they decided to knee it on the next play.

Every coach teaches you when it is and when it isn't okay to commit a penalty for the BENEFIT of your team. You take the lesser of two evils. I am mostly happy that the WR coach is actively criticising his players. JJ has a very big head on his shoulders and he hasn't always lived up to his potential. He has made some great plays - so did Furgeson back in the day, but his lack of 100% effort on every play, and the fact he makes some really bad mistakes (not wrapping the ball up down the sidelines on a potential game winning drive late in the 4th). He has a lot of talent and is a gifted WR, it's time someone in the orginization starts calling him out.

[channtheman]

Jordy is just as bad. Too many drops.

He's only had 2 official drops this season...and he's caught 62% of the passes thrown to him. That isn't all bad. Jones has only caught 56% of the passes thrown to him this year, Jennings 53%, Driver 72%.

I don't get the argument that Jordy drops a bunch of passes. It is a fallacy. He's technically our 2nd most reliable receiver after Driver...but Driver has twice the drops that Jordy has this year.

Now, if you want to get on him for return fumbles...fine...but he shouldn't be a returner to begin with. As a receiver, the guy is light years ahead of Jones in ball security and effort.

I'm just curious about this and honestly too lazy to look it up myself, but I believe Jordy has only ever fumbled on a kickoff against Detroit. I know for sure last year it was against Detroit, and now this year it was also Detroit. Maybe we should just let someone else return kicks when we play the Lions?

[Guiness]

I was going to make a crack about him playing for Omaha...it might be true????

Can't believe Garcia is doing that though. Sad, he had a good long career, with a couple of Pro Bowls, a couple of rings up here in Canada. Why would he drop to that level?

edit: wiki page says he is indeed there, handing off the ball to Ahmed Greene! No word if Fergy's catching passes over there though.

http://www.ufl-football.com/omaha-nighthawks/player-roster

Lots of ex-nfl on this roster. Fergy, garcia, ahman green, cato june, maurice clarett, probably some more I missed as I scanned the list.

It's the old Packer's club there. As well as Ahman and Fergy, Aaron rouse and Junius Coston (and one can only assume his infamous wife) are there as well!

[Fritz]

I was going to make a crack about him playing for Omaha...it might be true????

Can't believe Garcia is doing that though. Sad, he had a good long career, with a couple of Pro Bowls, a couple of rings up here in Canada. Why would he drop to that level?

edit: wiki page says he is indeed there, handing off the ball to Ahmed Greene! No word if Fergy's catching passes over there though.

http://www.ufl-football.com/omaha-nighthawks/player-roster

Lots of ex-nfl on this roster. Fergy, garcia, ahman green, cato june, maurice clarett, probably some more I missed as I scanned the list.

Why is she infamous? Or were you thinking of Torrance Marhsall's infamous girlfirend?

It's the old Packer's club there. As well as Ahman and Fergy, Aaron rouse and Junius Coston (and one can only assume his infamous wife) are there as well!

[MichiganPackerFan]

anyone have the number of opportunities for each WR compared to the number of drops?

(Sorry if i missed it!)

[mraynrand]

anyone have the number of opportunities for each WR compared to the number of drops?

(Sorry if i missed it!)

Opportunities: many
Drops: too many

[MJZiggy]

I was going to make a crack about him playing for Omaha...it might be true????

Can't believe Garcia is doing that though. Sad, he had a good long career, with a couple of Pro Bowls, a couple of rings up here in Canada. Why would he drop to that level?

edit: wiki page says he is indeed there, handing off the ball to Ahmed Greene! No word if Fergy's catching passes over there though.

http://www.ufl-football.com/omaha-nighthawks/player-roster

Lots of ex-nfl on this roster. Fergy, garcia, ahman green, cato june, maurice clarett, probably some more I missed as I scanned the list.

Why is she infamous? Or were you thinking of Torrance Marhsall's infamous girlfirend?

It's the old Packer's club there. As well as Ahman and Fergy, Aaron rouse and Junius Coston (and one can only assume his infamous wife) are there as well!

She has a reputation around here...