Coach of the Year

[mraynrand]

I don't know about coach of the year...but consider that now Zombo AND Jenkins AND Hall are out for what is now the most important game of the season...while the Bears will be missing one guy, their number three receiver. And consider that not only do the Packers lead the league in injured reserve numbers, Ryan Grant (this is per the JSO) has missed more games himself than all the Bears' preferred starters combined.

After all that, consider that the Packers are 9 - 6 and can get into the playoffs if MM can patch the team together and get a win tomorrow.

I'd say that's a good coaching job, period.

Indeed. And when you consider that Rodger's concussions may have cost the Packer 3-4 wins, the performance of the team is even more impressive. Exec of the year should be Thompson, but it will probably go to whatchamaface in KC.

[MJZiggy]

Lovie Smith. Pffft. Let's see him deal with an injured reserve list that looks like ours. They had not even half of our injuries in 2009 and wound up 7-9. If M3 did that you'd have called for his head, but Lovie's worth coach of the year? Really?

[Bretsky]

Figured da Homers would laugh at Lovie Smith. THis is coach of the year for 2010, not 2009. The Bears have made some changes since then and Lovie has implemented them to near perfecion.

Shhhhhhhhhhh;at some point they've quietly snuck into a #2 seed ?

Did anybody expect them to beat us (go ahead and make excuses but they still did it)
Did anybody think they'd beat Phily ?
Did anybody think they'd beat the Jets ?
Did anybody think they'd be 5-0 in the division and have a better divisional record than GB ?

He's he's put a staff together with high ego's, managed them, and somehow got the biggest ego maniac on the staff to change how he's been use to doing things. Da Bears are not that good. Results don't lie. They are WAY better than we thought they were and Lovie Smith deserves his kudos.....even after we kick their asses tomorrow.

[get louder at lambeau]

I find it hard to hate elite offensive production in both yards and points year after year.

It's not that hard at all. All you have to do is cherrypick the plays that didn't work, especially near the goal line, and especially in losses, and criticize away! Ignore all the production, points, the lack of turnovers, and the winning record.

[MJZiggy]

Figured da Homers would laugh at Lovie Smith. THis is coach of the year for 2010, not 2009. The Bears have made some changes since then and Lovie has implemented them to near perfecion.

Shhhhhhhhhhh;at some point they've quietly snuck into a #2 seed ?

Did anybody expect them to beat us (go ahead and make excuses but they still did it)
Did anybody think they'd beat Phily ?
Did anybody think they'd beat the Jets ?
Did anybody think they'd be 5-0 in the division and have a better divisional record than GB ?

He's he's put a staff together with high ego's, managed them, and somehow got the biggest ego maniac on the staff to change how he's been use to doing things. Da Bears are not that good. Results don't lie. They are WAY better than we thought they were and Lovie Smith deserves his kudos.....even after we kick their asses tomorrow.

Actually, the point I was making was that when he had to deal with even half of the adversity that M3 did, they crumpled and went 7-9. And they haven't beat us twice, remember. Did anyone expect US to beat the Jets? Or Philly? Why is Lovie a better coach for doing the same thing completely healthy? Might Lovie have been able to pull it off without a starting running back? The Bears have had every break fall their way this season. They've been incredibly lucky and that doesn't make Lovie a coach of the year candidate.

[Bossman641]

I don't know about coach of the year...but consider that now Zombo AND Jenkins AND Hall are out for what is now the most important game of the season...while the Bears will be missing one guy, their number three receiver. And consider that not only do the Packers lead the league in injured reserve numbers, Ryan Grant (this is per the JSO) has missed more games himself than all the Bears' preferred starters combined.

After all that, consider that the Packers are 9 - 6 and can get into the playoffs if MM can patch the team together and get a win tomorrow.

I'd say that's a good coaching job, period.

Seeing that stat made me sick. Bear starters will have missed 11 games this season. Packers will have missed around 90 when all is said and done. And that's just the starters, don't forget about all the 2nd and 3rd stringers that are injured along the DL and LB.

[pbmax]

Figured da Homers would laugh at Lovie Smith. THis is coach of the year for 2010, not 2009. The Bears have made some changes since then and Lovie has implemented them to near perfecion.

Shhhhhhhhhhh;at some point they've quietly snuck into a #2 seed ?

Did anybody expect them to beat us (go ahead and make excuses but they still did it)
Did anybody think they'd beat Phily ?
Did anybody think they'd beat the Jets ?
Did anybody think they'd be 5-0 in the division and have a better divisional record than GB ?

He's he's put a staff together with high ego's, managed them, and somehow got the biggest ego maniac on the staff to change how he's been use to doing things. Da Bears are not that good. Results don't lie. They are WAY better than we thought they were and Lovie Smith deserves his kudos.....even after we kick their asses tomorrow.

But results do not tell the entire story, if you want to know who is actually better. In terms of the playoffs, then the record holds all the cards.

But if you want to know who is best, then you need to dig. And the Bears have had a season of good fortune, just look at the lineup of terrible QBs they have faced. Martz had to beg to get the job, so managing his ego has been easier since he was close to being drummed out of the league. Its been a fine season for them and he should get some consideration.

But I would much prefer to be in the Packers shoes than the Bears. Even if it means road playoff games.

Lovie should get consideration.

[gbgary]

It's not that hard at all. All you have to do is cherrypick the plays that didn't work, especially near the goal line, and especially in losses, and criticize away! Ignore all the production, points, the lack of turnovers, and the winning record.

i'm not cherry picking or ignoring. i haven't liked his play calling from day one. his big play mentality over moving the chains, his stubornness at times to try to prove a point, predictabillity by using the shotgun too much, and more, is maddening to me at times.

[Bretsky]

But results do not tell the entire story, if you want to know who is actually better. In terms of the playoffs, then the record holds all the cards.

But if you want to know who is best, then you need to dig. And the Bears have had a season of good fortune, just look at the lineup of terrible QBs they have faced. Martz had to beg to get the job, so managing his ego has been easier since he was close to being drummed out of the league. Its been a fine season for them and he should get some consideration.

But I would much prefer to be in the Packers shoes than the Bears. Even if it means road playoff games.

Lovie should get consideration.

agree with all of this reasoning

[Bretsky]

Actually, the point I was making was that when he had to deal with even half of the adversity that M3 did, they crumpled and went 7-9. And they haven't beat us twice, remember. Did anyone expect US to beat the Jets? Or Philly? Why is Lovie a better coach for doing the same thing completely healthy? Might Lovie have been able to pull it off without a starting running back? The Bears have had every break fall their way this season. They've been incredibly lucky and that doesn't make Lovie a coach of the year candidate.

Actually many of us expected to beat Phily. We are homers and going into the season most experts were telling us we were the favorited to go to the Super Bowl
Not many expected us to beat the Jets.

We've hardly given the Bears any credit all year for their accomplishments. We just keep calling them lucky. We LOST to a THIRD string QB at Detroit. Playing him should have been a lucky....so to speak....break but we didnt' capitalize. The Bears have.

You are comparing apples to meatballs when you compare the Bears of last year and it's staff to the Bears of this year and its staff.

The capitalization of breaks and end results, among other things, make Lovie Smith a coach of the year candidate

Shhhhh............two seed

Don't get me wrong; I still have homer shades and think we stand a better chance this year of going far into the playoffs. But my shades don't hinder my ability to dole out credit where it is due and look beyond the Texaspackerbacker theory of it being all about luck

[bobblehead]

But results do not tell the entire story, if you want to know who is actually better. In terms of the playoffs, then the record holds all the cards.

But if you want to know who is best, then you need to dig. And the Bears have had a season of good fortune, just look at the lineup of terrible QBs they have faced. Martz had to beg to get the job, so managing his ego has been easier since he was close to being drummed out of the league. Its been a fine season for them and he should get some consideration.

But I would much prefer to be in the Packers shoes than the Bears. Even if it means road playoff games.

Lovie should get consideration.

All that and the Lions beat them in week 1. What happens this season if the Lions don't get hosed on the TD call, and we don't get flagged for 18 penalties (IIRC 11 were "subjective" calls). Suddenly the bears would have been 1-2 and confidence shot. I think the officials did the bears a HUGE favor early on. That said, they look pretty solid now, with Martz offense coming together and all.

[get louder at lambeau]

All that and the Lions beat them in week 1. What happens this season if the Lions don't get hosed on the TD call,

Stop right there.

If every single play in every single game this season had happened EXACTLY the same, except for the ref's fucked up call on that ONE play...

The Packers would be playing the Bears Sunday to tie them for the Divsion title. I think it would get all the way down to the 5th tiebreaker- Strength of Victory. The Packers would win that tiebreaker. If I got that right, anyway. Think I did. Anybody bored enough, please feel free to double check.

Moral of the story- If that ref got the call right on that ONE play, the Packers would be playing the Bears for the Division Title and the #3 (or maybe even the #2?) seed in the playoffs tomorrow.

[Bossman641]

Actually many of us expected to beat Phily. We are homers and going into the season most experts were telling us we were the favorited to go to the Super Bowl
Not many expected us to beat the Jets.

We've hardly given the Bears any credit all year for their accomplishments. We just keep calling them lucky. We LOST to a THIRD string QB at Detroit. Playing him should have been a lucky....so to speak....break but we didnt' capitalize. The Bears have.

You are comparing apples to meatballs when you compare the Bears of last year and it's staff to the Bears of this year and its staff.

The capitalization of breaks and end results, among other things, make Lovie Smith a coach of the year candidate

Shhhhh............two seed

Don't get me wrong; I still have homer shades and think we stand a better chance this year of going far into the playoffs. But my shades don't hinder my ability to dole out credit where it is due and look beyond the Texaspackerbacker theory of it being all about luck

I think the playoffs will show who the true Bears are.

[Bretsky]

I think the playoffs will show who the true Bears are.

I sure hope you are right because this whole thing is just sickening

I think there is a very good chance the #5 seed ends up playing the #6 seed for the NFC Title

Wonder when that last occured ????????

[Pugger]

Actually, the point I was making was that when he had to deal with even half of the adversity that M3 did, they crumpled and went 7-9. And they haven't beat us twice, remember. Did anyone expect US to beat the Jets? Or Philly? Why is Lovie a better coach for doing the same thing completely healthy? Might Lovie have been able to pull it off without a starting running back? The Bears have had every break fall their way this season. They've been incredibly lucky and that doesn't make Lovie a coach of the year candidate.

Unfortunately because nobody predicted the Bears would be this fortunate this season he'll probably win it. Guys who surprise the voters often win. But we Packer fans know who did the better job keeping his team afloat in the face of a lot of adversity.