Desmond Bishop Extended!

[Patler]

Chiller is often called the Packers best pass coverage linebacker. I have always looked at that more as an indictment against the ability of the others in pass coverage than as a compliment to Chiller's ability. Chiller strikes me as a guy who SHOULD be good in coverage, but for some reason never really comes up big when needed.

How would you know if he comes up big when needed. Consider that every time he was on the field on 3rd down and you DIDN'T see him get beat he came up big. I think a few people remember him being forced to play safety last season due to Aaron Rouse's ineptitude and when he got beat playing out of position they think he can't cover or something. All I know is that, imo, he is by far the best coverage backer we have. Hawk bordered on atrocious after his rookie year, and don't even make me mention Poppinga. Barnett was average in coverage.

1. Just offering my opinion, never said I "knew" anything.
2. I guess I "know" about Chillar as much as you "know" about Hawk and Barnett, who you termed as "atrocious" and "average". How could you know, or form that opinion about them, if I can't have an opinion about Chillar?
3. Chillar has been in GB 3 years. He played safety a couple times last year, so no, my opinion is not based on just those few games.

I don't think Chillar is a bad coverage linebacker, I just don't think he is a great one. I think he looks better only in comparison to what the other Packer linebackers have provided. We seem to agree on that part of it, that the others besides Chillar have not been very good in coverage. Although, for some reason this year Hawk seems to have picked up his game in that area.

[Iron Mike]

I'm not one to normally laugh at grammer errors, but this one it too good to pass up. thanks for the chuckle red! 1 out of 3 aint bad!

Are you sure you don't mean grammar, LW?

[Scott Campbell]

I'd love to see some reporter ask Hawk why he's playing so much better since Bishop replaced Barnett.

[bobblehead]

1. Just offering my opinion, never said I "knew" anything.
2. I guess I "know" about Chillar as much as you "know" about Hawk and Barnett, who you termed as "atrocious" and "average". How could you know, or form that opinion about them, if I can't have an opinion about Chillar?
3. Chillar has been in GB 3 years. He played safety a couple times last year, so no, my opinion is not based on just those few games.

I don't think Chillar is a bad coverage linebacker, I just don't think he is a great one. I think he looks better only in comparison to what the other Packer linebackers have provided. We seem to agree on that part of it, that the others besides Chillar have not been very good in coverage. Although, for some reason this year Hawk seems to have picked up his game in that area.

fair enough. I wasn't so much attacking your opinion as pointing out that we don't see chillar a hell of a lot, which means he is covering his guy. When we did see it last year he was playing a made up safety position, and still in position to make plays, but not familiar with playing downfield with his back to the LOS. I judged Hawk as atrocious in coverage in '08 especially, but '09 as well because I constantly saw his coverage in 3rd and 7-11 end up in first downs. I broke at least a few things in those situations watching Hawk run after a RB who would get tackled about 3 yards after the first down. Barnett wasn't as bad, but it happened to him as well. As for chillar, other than the few TD's he gave up playing safety I don't recall him giving up a hell of a lot in coverage. He is below average in the run game though, which is why he is a situational player.

[RashanGary]

I would love to see Hawk and Bishop in the middle and Matthews and Jones/whoever on the outside.

It wasn't very long ago you were bitching an whining about how good Bishop sucked balls.

[retailguy]

It wasn't very long ago you were bitching an whining about how good Bishop sucked balls.

It wasn't very long ago that you thought McCarthy was the 2nd coming of Christ as well.

I'd say that Bishop was a very unexpected, welcome surprise, that surprised every one, probably not limited to just fans. My guess is there are a bunch of folks inside 1265 that are just as surprised as we are.

[pbmax]

I am not sure about the safety issue Bobble. Its Chillar versus the TE that is the problem. And it happened in more than just Big Nickel. Capers toned down the use of that Package as the season wore on. Chillar at times looked slightly more in position than Hawk. Both allowed long completions. This year, the TE production is up but their catches are down.

[SkinBasket]

It wasn't very long ago you were bitching an whining about how good Bishop sucked balls.

Are you going to argue that he hadn't sucked balls until this season? The problem with fanboys is that occasionally the sun shines on them and they think they're not located under the tail.

He's played well. I've always said i wanted him to succeed. Notice he isn't "laying the wood" anymore however, which is what got some of you guys so hot and bothered, but has learned to control his body instead. He's an adequate MLB now.

[Zool]

Are you going to argue that he hadn't sucked balls until this season? The problem with fanboys is that occasionally the sun shines on them and they think they're not located under the tail.

He's played well. I've always said i wanted him to succeed. Notice he isn't "laying the wood" anymore however, which is what got some of you guys so hot and bothered, but has learned to control his body instead. He's an adequate MLB now.

He still gets caught out of place quite a bit and has to recover. Was it just me or did the Eagles O line play stellar today? I saw plenty of 5 and 6 man blitzes stonewalled.

[ThunderDan]

I for one had bashed Bishop because he was assignment unsure. He has cleaned most of that up.

A perfect example of that was during the Bears game. The D played an off-tackle run by Forte perfectly on a play that was well blocked by the Bears O-Line. Bishop was one-on-one verses Forte for the tackle. In the past Bishop would have exploded thru the hole and blown up Forte 85% of the time and 15% of the time Forte would have scored a 50+ yard TD. Instead Bishop waited in the hole and made a tackle for a yard gain. No big hit, no TFL just perfectly played football. Get up, brush the dirt of your uni and head back to the huddle.