IF the Packers win it all should they give a ring to Al Harris ?

[Scott Campbell]

I have heard a lot of positive things about KGB over the years, what he did for the team and the community. How he helped young players acclimate to the team and the area, etc. One of the older guys they could come to with a problem or question. I've heard similar things about Tauscher.

We seem to think Harris must have helped teach Tramon Williams, but to be honest, I have never read anything about him taking an active role to do that. He doesn't live in the area, hasn't always returned for the off-season programs, and has been described at times as a bit of a loner when it comes to training because he has his own methods and follows them religiously. There is nothing wrong with that.

I loved him as a player. Great player, strong commitment to his profession. Great example for younger players about what hard work can do; but I have never seen him described as a mentor type, taking young guys under his wing. Maybe I missed it.

I don't care if they give him a ring if they win. Totally up to the team. But I don't think there is any obligation for them to give him one, and if they should decide not to, I will understand why.

Forgetting Tramon for a moment, I've wondered if Harris had an influence on Woodson. In terms of work ethic, he's a different guy than the one Ted signed from Oakland.

[Scott Campbell]

I was asking myself this very question, pop by PR and see Mr Peabody (geez, I love that!) started the thread.

I give Al a ring, because he had a huge hand in developing Williams. Together with Woodson, they were coaches on the field for the whole secondary and if he was at team meeting, you just know he was giving the CBs tips etc.

I think it would be a great decision to have to make, because that woulkd mean the Packers actually have 150 rings paid for by the NFL!

I'm sure there are a lot of people toiling in obscurity in the front office that we've never heard of that will get rings.

[Tarlam!]

Forgetting Tramon for a moment, I've wondered if Harris had an influence on Woodson. In terms of work ethic, he's a different guy than the one Ted signed from Oakland.

Woodson remarked that his change in attitude is the Green Bay experience overall. He fell in love with the way the organisation is run, the way the fans treat the players etc. He said at the time of the deal, he was loathe to the place staying away from OTAs, but that changed within a year. Now he's a huge fan. No question for me he'll retire a Packer if allowed to. I'm sure Al will get a one day contract to retire a Packer, too.

[bobblehead]

I'm going the way of the liberal here. I am simply making a decision based purely on emotion. Al should get a ring. For battling to come back this season and coming up short. For being on the team in PuP capacity. For what he has done and means to most of the guys ON THIS SUPERBOWL TEAM.....but most importantly because it feels like the right thing to do. Name him an honorary coach and put him on the sideline for the game if it helps sell it, I believe he is a free agent.

[pbmax]

while on the PUP i don't think you are allowed to practice with the team. just saying.

He was off PUP for three weeks, practicing with the team.

[Smidgeon]

Woodson remarked that his change in attitude is the Green Bay experience overall. He fell in love with the way the organisation is run, the way the fans treat the players etc. He said at the time of the deal, he was loathe to the place staying away from OTAs, but that changed within a year. Now he's a huge fan. No question for me he'll retire a Packer if allowed to. I'm sure Al will get a one day contract to retire a Packer, too.

Players do not retire as part of a team in the NFL HOF.

[RUnuts]

I like the guy, give him a ring. End of discussion.

btw, I watched the movie "Leatherheads" in case you don't think I know football.

[Tarlam!]

Players do not retire as part of a team in the NFL HOF.

I'm aware of that; I made no mention of the NFL HOF and I doubt either player is a candidate anyway. Players frequently, however, return to the place they enjoyed playing the most, receive a contract for a day and lodge their retirement papers ceremoniously, thus retiring as a "insert your team here".

[BZnDallas]

I'm aware of that; I made no mention of the NFL HOF and I doubt either player is a candidate anyway. Players frequently, however, return to the place they enjoyed playing the most, receive a contract for a day and lodge their retirement papers ceremoniously, thus retiring as a "insert your team here".

i agree with Tarlam.. don't players do this alot?.. didn't Jerry Rice sign a one day deal with the niners?... it seems vaguely familiar

[MadtownPacker]

When was Harris on the team this year?
If Harris had been cut in training camp, would you give him a ring?
Whether or not a guy is placed on PUP is really just luck of timing.
Blackmon was on the TC roster, Harris was not.
Blackmon I believe was on IR for a day or two, Harris was not.

When time came to decide if Harris was on the team, he was released, just as he would have been in camp except for the fact that he was PUP eligible. All the PUP designation did was allow them to delay the decision.

How about the guys that came and went from the practice squad. Should they get rings if the Packers win?

Looks like you need to get your ears clipped so you can really hear what I am saying, he should get one cuz he is Al Harris. Bottom line that is reason enough for me. If you dont have the same senitments that's on you. Like others have mentioned there is a good chance he doesn't accept but he is deserving of the gesture.

[Patler]

Looks like you need to get your ears clipped so you can really hear what I am saying, he should get one cuz he is Al Harris.

WOW! There's a convincing argument! "...because he is Al Harris". Leave it to you to fill us with new information, a new thought. If someone had brought that up before, I might have been convinced. Did you have to do a lot of research to discover that???

Yup, give him a ring! I see it now!

[MadtownPacker]

Fuck no Will Blackmon dont deserve one. Al Harris did alot for this team for YEARS and he was on the team THIS year. I think he should get one cuz I believe he played a big part in mentoring the youngsters. I think he should get one because has been nothing short of loyal and I bet would have loved to stay on the team if it had been up to him. I would give him one because he returned that TD in OT against Seattle. I would give him one for locking down his sign of the field for years. I would give him one for being a Packer that actually deserves one. Not just because it would be a nice gesture.

I would give him one because he is Al Harris. Why do you feel he shouldn't get one? Should Barnett? Finley? Harrell? get one?

WOW! There's a convincing argument! "...because he is Al Harris". Leave it to you to fill us with new information, a new thought. If someone had brought that up before, I might have been convinced. Did you have to do a lot of research to discover that???

Yup, give him a ring! I see it now!

I already gave you my reasoning on the post quoted above so save the "I know you are but what I am" tactics. It is beneath you. That wasnt fucking good enough for you because you dont FEEL the same. Well tough shit, but dont try to shut me down cuz you dont agree. In fact why the fuck dont you tell us why he SHOULDN'T get one??

[green_bowl_packer]

Forgetting Tramon for a moment, I've wondered if Harris had an influence on Woodson. In terms of work ethic, he's a different guy than the one Ted signed from Oakland.

Neon Deion said the exact same thing after the Falcons game on NFLN he was effusive in his praise, that Al's presence had shaped the entire group not only Tramon, but especially Woodson by reviving competition within the group and setting an example for practice and preparation. Who knows he may be right, could know something we don't know.

As I remember it, Charles probably earned his reputation later in his career (tuck rule shit probably drove him to drink), didn't he get caught drunk in public with an ex-packer safety from the Sherman era? I remember this guy #20? was with Pack for a year or two had a bunch of picks then traded to the Raiders, where evidently he became Charles drinking buddy.

Woodson being a captain, if he wants to give him one, he'll try to get him one, and I'd be all for it - means they won the game and that's all I care about. But, based on the team picture thing, I'd bet there would be limitations placed on who you could vote for.

[Freak Out]

Is there precedent for giving someone a ring who was cut during the season?

[steve823]

Glad to see some people agree with me in that Al should get a ring. If there was an organization that would reward a player like Al Harris, it would be the Packers. People seem to forget real quick that he's been a leader on GB for years and he fought back from a devastating injury to be a part of the Pack.