2011 PackerRats community mock second draft

[Lurker64]

So he's a little undersized for the 3-4, his arm is fucked up, and he doesn't play an especially valuable position. He's a potential first round pick why? Is this draft that weak?

In the words of one NFC General Manager Clayborn is a "one-armed ass kicker". He doesn't go 100% all the time, but when his motor is on on he's relentless and plays mean.

I still think I'd rather see him going to a 4-3 team, even though he can only play on the right side (and that asymmetry may lead him to be much better suited to playing a 7-tech than a 5-tech).

[get louder at lambeau]

So, is he a symptom of the weak draft that we were told this one would be after all the juniors came out last year before the CBA expired?

[Bretsky]

Just to clarify....his condition is not new and he was an asskicker in college. Teams like the Badgers game planned for the guy because he was dominant. A lot of projections had him going to the Tampa Bay Bucs and I'm not at all surprised if he's picked in round one. I'm not sure I'd be sold on him in GB but he has been a dominant player at every level.

Another guy who the NFL Network has been doing a lot of previews about his immense talent is Marvin Austin. Some felt he'll be a better player than Robert Quinn and in ten years many will wonder why the dude didn't go top ten in this draft.

[Lurker64]

Another guy who the NFL Network has been doing a lot of previews about his immense talent is Marvin Austin. Some felt he'll be a better player than Robert Quinn and in ten years many will wonder why the dude didn't go top ten in this draft.

Austin is all hype and no production. Came into college as a ***** recruit, shows amazing physical tools in workouts, just disappears on tape (in fact he's never actually appeared on tape), and is a pretty bad character guy (he was the ringleader of the scandal that got all those North Carolina players suspended). Prior to his suspension is entire college career has been "Man, if Marvin Austin ever gets it he could be great." He's never gotten it and I doubt he will. If you actually want him to "get it" you don't take him in the first round, you catch him after he falls and hope that lights a fire at him. Then you hire a defensive quality control coordinator to follow him around and yell at him all the time.

He's also a better 3-tech than than a 5-tech (he's south of 6'2" and his arms are south of 33"), so I doubt he'll be our problem. I'd rather get Allen Bailey than Marvin Austin, and I don't like Bailey.

[Bretsky]

truth be told, every time I look at this draft and our PR projections unless somebody falls into our lap I'm all about trading down this year. A number of teams will IMO be looking to move up and nab a guy like Christian Ponder or Locker if MN or Miami does not select him. This should fall right into the strengths of guys that like to move around like Hoody and Teddy.

If you look at our list, nothing screams value at our pick. Jimmy Smith has top fifteen talent but he's a nut job. None of those guys left would bring me the warm fuzzy feeling of last year when Buluga just fell in our laps

[Bretsky]

OK, here seems to be TEN............who should we knock off ??? I added Harris and Rudolph per positive discussions. I knocked off the WR because I don't think any is worthy of round one. Wisniewski.....I don't think he's as good as the two we have on the list and he seems to be rated lower than the top two on everywhere I look.

I like Sherrod more than either of these OL guys if he's available though.

Lurker......you are the ship captain........if you don't get any more input why don't you pick eight of these that you think would get the best votes or start it by having two wildcard matchups in order to get to the final eight..


Ijalana
Watkins,
Reed
Martez Wilson
Mikel LeShoure
Kyle Rudolph
Clayborn
Jimmy Smith
Brandon Harris
Marvin Austin

[Lurker64]

People other than Bretsky should post the eight guys they want to appear in the bracket.

[Bretsky]

agree........fwiw I would not put the TE or the CB Harris on my list but since a couple others spoke positively of them I added them to the last list I provided on that ten

.....this is some interesting research............on Marvin Austin..........

Perspectives:

Nolan Nawrocki, Pro Football Weekly:

Interviewed very poorly at the Combine, very selfishly throwing his college under the bus and refusing to take responsibility for any of the wrongdoings that led to his dismissal from the team. Has earned a reputation in the NFL scouting community as a "finger-pointing, excuse-making con artist" who does not know what it means to lead.

More Nawrocki:

Has clear first-round talent as one-gap penetrator in a 4-3 defense after showing well at the East-West Shrine game and at the Combine, and could fit into the back of the first round, but a number of teams have said they would not consider him until the third round, or would not want him at any price because of the way he will affect a locker room.

Why he’s a fit for San Francisco:

Could be an ideal fit as a 3-4 end talent-wise, but as touched upon by Nawrocki’s perspectives, I wouldn’t trust him to make the transition.

Austin is a big time player, and I bet he has a year or two of significant productivity in the NFL…but the character issues will resurface (they always do), and for a team hoping to contend right around the time I’m predicting Austin to go wild, he’s just not worth the risk. Not even in the third-round.

[Bretsky]

and a bit more; I'm not sure TT would consider a dude with this type of character risk. After all, the only reason TT passed on Odell Thurman was because of character concerns and bad interviews

Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina
Height: 6-2. Weight: 309.
Projected 40 Time: 4.88.
Combine 40 Time: 4.80.
Pro Day 40 Time: DNP.
Benchx225: 38. Vertical: 30.5. Arm: 32 5/8.
Projected Round (2011): 1-2.
4/1/11: Marvin Austin had a great Pro Day, prompting Mike Mayock to state that he'd be surprised if Austin weren't picked between 20 and 32.

3/1/11: In the words of Al Davis, "Marvin... Austin... is a... great... playa... too bad... we've spent... all our money... on John... Hendehson... and... Richard... Seemoh..."

After dominating the East-West Game, Austin had a strong showing at the Combine. At 6-2, 309 pounds, Austin ran a 4.80 40 and notched a 38-inch vertical.

1/26/11: Marvin Austin predictably dominated the East-West Shrine Game, but reportedly bombed in the interviews. Someone will take a shot on him with a Day 2 pick.

10/8/10: Austin has been suspended indefinitely by head coach Butch Davis, and this is unrelated to the NCAA investigation of the North Carolina football team. Pictures and information have surfaced and there is now a mountain of character concerns surrounding Austin. Some team might take a gamble on Austin's talent in the early rounds, but there is also the chance that 75 percent of the league removes him from their 2011 NFL Draft Boards.

[Lurker64]

I'll post brackets tomorrow around noon, taking into account anybody's top eight that appears in the meantime.

[packrulz]

Danny Watkins, OG, Baylor
Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia
Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami (Fla)
Randall Cobb, WR, Kentucky
Rodney Hudson, OG/C, Florida State
Ben Ijalana, OT, Villanova
Jabaal Sheard, DE, Pittsburgh
Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
These are some guys I like, Clayborns one arm problem bothers me in the 1st round, Hudson could start at LG and move to C eventually, Cobb also is a PR/KR, Dowling was banged up but would've gone much higher, I doubt Brooks Reed will be drafted in the 1st round.

[Smeefers]

From http://www.draftcountdown.com/Rankings/TOP.php

I figure it would be better to go off of someone elses rankings than our own. If this is useless, don't use it. Those in bold are the ones I'd put in.

17 Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa
20 Brandon Harris, CB, Florida
25 Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
30 Stephen Paea, DT, Oregon State
31 Jimmy Smith, CB, Colorado
34 Danny Watkins, OG, Baylor
41 Brooks Reed, DE, Arizona
45 Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia
49 Jabaal Sheard, DE, Pittsburgh
52 Rodney Hudson, OG/C, Florida State
53 Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina
55 Ben Ijalana, OT, Villanova
57 Randall Cobb, WR, Kentucky
58 Mikel LeShoure, RB, Illinois
59 Leonard Hankerson, WR, Miami (Fla)
60 Martez Wilson, ILB, Illinois

[Tarlam!]

Clayborns one arm problem bothers me in the 1st round

And I think you are far from alone in this, packrulz. This is a player career that I'll be closely watching and if he doesn't go to an NFC North ball club, I'll be rooting for him. I know nothing about the condition he has, BTW. I'm sure the GMs and coaches in the selection committees around the league have become experts, though. So if he is, in fact, taken in the 1st, I'm sure they'll have done their homework.

[RashanGary]

Clayborn is a good athlete with good production, but not great. Plus he has the arm problem. Danny Watkins seems like the safe pick. Ijalana is safe. Dowlling is very high upside, but he's a CB, not a big guy and you can find corners later. He also has injury risk.

I think I'd lean Watkins/Ijalana/Dowling right now, in that order.

I'd put James Carpenter in there too. He's more of a tackle than Ijalana and Watkins. He was a rock at Alabama. He's a slightly more powerful athlete than Bulaga, with slightly less agility (but close in all areas). All in all, I think a very similar prospect to Bulaga. I'd rather have a tackle than guard. You can find guards later in the draft. I think he's the prototype RT. I'd love to have two 22 year old legit starting tackles. I'm sure Rodgers would too.

[get louder at lambeau]

A DE with a fucked up arm who doesn't go 100% all the time and a 26 year old OG being considered in the first round. I'll answer my own question, since nobody else has-

This is a weak draft.