Nick Collins out for the Year

[Kiwon]

Did he ever play again? I realize basketball isn't football but I was just wondering...

From July 25...."According to agent Mark Bartelstein, Marquis Daniels has resumed working out after spinal surgery.Pretty amazing stuff considering the scary moment on the court just six months ago. Daniels bruised his spinal cord against the Orlando Magic back in February and was diagnosed with spinal stenosis, but it appears that he's healing nicely and remains determined to play in the NBA next season. He should be able to find a spot on the bench of some club, but he'll likely have to settle for the veteran's minimum in an effort to prove his health."

Here's the YouTube of his injury. It didn't look like much of hit but the neck is a very sensitive area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLPTJJV3QYg

[bobblehead]

But why does it have to happen to the really good ones?

Like Jeremy Thompson...or do we just remember the really good ones more.

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Like Jeremy Thompson...or do we just remember the really good ones more.

All signs pointed to him being soft, but a freakishly good athlete. Too bad. Loaded with potential. The first Teddy T trade up. Let's hope slick pick thirty six nick can get healthy and return.

[Upnorth]

This is a big loss for our D, especially with our banged up Dline we need a strong secondary. Is it just me or are we getting freakishly high number of injuries again?

[Smidgeon]

Have a link to that quote, or maybe the site it was on?

Maybe this:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/130143133.html

Collins' agent, Alan Herman, said specifics of the injury aren't known, but it appears to be disc-related. He said too much is unknown to even confirm that, although he stated categorically Collins did not have a spinal cord injury or a broken neck.

Herman said he planned to bring Collins to New York to see a spinal specialist, who will determine the best course of action. Nobody was hinting that the injury could be career-ending, but that possibility always exists with something as delicate as a neck injury.

"We don't know if it's an old injury or a new one," Herman said. "A lot of times a player is injured and it's disguised until he suffers another one. Did he have an injury that was exacerbated? We'll find that out."

Herman said he was certain the injury was not spinal stenosis, an abnormal narrowing of the spinal column. Former Packers Terrence Murphy and Tim Lewis were both forced to retire in the prime of their careers because of the condition.

That's the one.

[Harlan Huckleby]

This is a big loss for our D, especially with our banged up Dline we need a strong secondary. Is it just me or are we getting freakishly high number of injuries again?

Patler mentioned that really you can just take last year's safeties and substitute Burnett for Collins. That doesn't seem so tragic, since Burnett has played well. But you can't compare last year to this. Maybe the front 7 will improve, but its not looking like we have much pass rush this season.

You have to say that we just swapped Nick Collins for Charlie Peprah. On a team that is having limited success pressuring the passer, that is a big dropoff.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He was missed today. Peprah was exposed pretty good. I know I felt like Collins struggled in week one, better in week two. But teams are going to go after Peprah. Collins is a playmaker and teams don't go at him a lot. Peprah is a different story. He's going to need to make some plays for teams not to key on him.

[vince]

He was missed today. Peprah was exposed pretty good. I know I felt like Collins struggled in week one, better in week two. But teams are going to go after Peprah. Collins is a playmaker and teams don't go at him a lot. Peprah is a different story. He's going to need to make some plays for teams not to key on him.

I missed the first half but saw the 2nd. Peprah didn't look great on the TD after the fumble. Neither did Burnett or Shields. He's a reliable tackler but didn't look it on that play. He's no Nick Collins obviously, but I think the safeties can play as well as they did last year as the year goes on, which was good enough. Peprah wasn't perfect then either, particularly in deep coverage. Unlike some of the corners that were fighting for roster spots in the preseason, I am looking forward to seeing a bit of MD Jennings play. He obviously has no experience, but I think he may have some game.

There's still a lot of work to do on the defensive side of the ball obviously, but I think the inside linebackers are where teams can exploit the Packers in the passing game as much or more than Peprah or anyone else.

I'll have to review the game to see who else was playing and who wasn't, but I was surprised to see Woodson outside in coverage for most all of the 2nd half. When there was a defensive back blitzing, I saw Bush. If he has to be in the game, I'd prefer they continue to hide him by rushing him, but they must have been in dime a lot. The thing about Bush is he's going to give you everything he's got at least. I don't think anyone tries harder. It's a good attribute for the team as long as he's chasing a QB or a punt returner.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He's no Nick Collins obviously, but I think the safeties can play as well as they did last year as the year goes on, which was good enough. Peprah wasn't perfect then either, particularly in deep coverage. Unlike some of the corners that were fighting for roster spots in the preseason, I am looking forward to seeing a bit of MD Jennings play. He obviously has no experience, but I think he may have some game.

I hear what you are saying in a way. Burnett's playing lights out. It's easy to get excited about him. I even think he has the ability to play the role Collins did, but the other side of the equation is that Peprah has to play as well as last year. That's no given. There's a reason he's bounced around the league. He might have played his best ball last year, and we're in for some tough times out of his spot. Seldom does something work like it should. It's easy to say that we won with Walden, Peprah, Wilson last year, so why not this year? But I think the defensive struggles might be legit. Mostly encourgaging today though. Of course, our offense looks so potentially dynamic (and they haven't hit on all cylinders quite yet), our return game improved, doesn't feel like Crosby will miss a kick, etc., so it might not matter.

[vince]

I hear what you are saying in a way. Burnett's playing lights out. It's easy to get excited about him. I even think he has the ability to play the role Collins did, but the other side of the equation is that Peprah has to play as well as last year. That's no given. There's a reason he's bounced around the league. He might have played his best ball last year, and we're in for some tough times out of his spot. Seldom does something work like it should. It's easy to say that we won with Walden, Peprah, Wilson last year, so why not this year? But I think the defensive struggles might be legit. Mostly encourgaging today though. Of course, our offense looks so potentially dynamic (and they haven't hit on all cylinders quite yet), our return game improved, doesn't feel like Crosby will miss a kick, etc., so it might not matter.

Yeah. Peprah has to be able to tackle and not get abused in coverage. He'll give up some completions, and some of them will be scores, but that's what he did last year and I do think he's good enough to not get abused every time he's thrown at. He plays OK for the most part (with that notable exception today in the 2nd half) when the play's in front of him. When he has to turn and run with someone, he's generally in trouble.

[mmmdk]

Peprah is no Collins but I believe he'll rebound. I hope that Collins returns to form the best safety duo, with Burnett, in the NFL.

[Joemailman]

The more that Peprah can play close to the line, with Burnett handling the deep coverage, the better they'll be.

Peprah reminds me of a TV show:

[ThunderDan]

The more that Peprah can play close to the line, with Burnett handling the deep coverage, the better they'll be.

Peprah reminds me of a TV show:

That's Pat Lee's nickname after this preseason.

[pbmax]

Peprah will need time as his game is likely to have suffered more than most due to the odd and short offseason. He is positioning and tackling. He didn't get a lot of looks in the offseason and he didn't do much tackling in camp. Plus, its a new backfield partner.

He looks just like Hawk, Bishop and Collins did in Week 1.

I think Peprah stays in the back end though for reasons I don't quite understand. He was deep for most of the year last year.

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Any updates on this? Tyler Dunne has an article up on JSO about how he's been in the secondary meetings. Don't IR guys normally leave? I get he's not IR'd officially yet, but it's all but a formality at this point it seems. Any update on his prognosis?