Offensive rookie of the year?

[vince]

That was quite a sack he had against the Jets last night (back off Skinbasket). So bets are that he gets Defensive rook of the year for sure. Who hands out overall rook of the year honors? I usually don't pay much attention to this stuff.

I don't even know if there is one now that I think about it.

[mraynrand]

(Tebow's fate is to be determined).

You'd think the guy could throw an accurate pass by now, but it's about 20/80 that he does. That just doesn't cut it in the NFL. You wonder what his offseason regimen was like. Was he just throwing through a tire in the back yard?

[mraynrand]

I don't even know if there is one now that I think about it. Scanning too quickly (among other thigs) can make a guy look stupid can't it.

It's just lucky for me this isn't a video forum

[sharpe1027]

^ yea because we all know that Cam doesnt have a reputation or anything coming out of Auburn. I don't remember any threads about "Andy Dalton is White" during the offseason. This has nothing to do with race but it's a known fact that some fans just plan out don't like Newton while there is no reason for anyone to dislike Dalton.

So because "some fans" don't like Newton, you assume that somebody that picks Dalton must be blinded by their hate for Newton? I agree with rand, that's a lazy man's argument.

Perhaps your "love for Newton" is blinding you. Let's now move away from discussing the facts and try to determine whether hate or love is more blinding.

[gbgary]

So because "some fans" don't like Newton, you assume that somebody that picks Dalton must be blinded by their hate for Newton? I agree with rand, that's a lazy man's argument.

Perhaps your "love for Newton" is blinding you. Let's now move away from discussing the facts and try to determine whether hate or love is more blinding.

i hate love.

[Brandon494]

Yeah, it's not like Cam Newton has DeAngelo Williams or Jonathan Stewart or anything.

Cam's good, there's no doubt about it, I just think Dalton is playing better ball. It has nothing to do with hate either. I could give a shit about either quarterback. They're not packers. I don't have enough invested in these guys to hate them. If Cam was a QB for the Bears, well then... maybe I'd hate him.

Might want to watch a few games or check stats before you post.

[Brandon494]

So because "some fans" don't like Newton, you assume that somebody that picks Dalton must be blinded by their hate for Newton? I agree with rand, that's a lazy man's argument.

Perhaps your "love for Newton" is blinding you. Let's now move away from discussing the facts and try to determine whether hate or love is more blinding.

Maybe I am blinded since I was the only one on this board who thought Cam wouldnt be a bust. If someone showed you these two guys stats without knowing who they were and asked you who is having a better season it's pretty clear Cam would be favored.

[Cheesehead Craig]

^ Bengals are a run first team which really helps out the QB. Panthers get no support from his running game and is asked to throw a lot more. The Panthers also have one of the worst defenses in the league while the Bengals have a top ten, that's why Bengals have a better record.

Cam has broken two NFL records this year, 3rd in the NFL in rushing TDs, higher QB rating, and has thrown for more yards and yards per attempt. I like Dalton but lets get real here, don't let your hate for Cam block common sense.

Saying the Panthers get no run support isn't really accurate. The RBs avg over 4.7 ypc. They can run the ball but they prefer to make use of Cam's running skills. They really are different styles of offense. Cincy is much more of a ball control, shorter passing game with more emphasis on the run whereas Carolina is more of a vertical offense which Steve Smith enables them to have. Overall I'd say that Cam has better targets overall to use. I think that if Carolina used Williams and Stewart more they would be a better offense. Carolina is only avg 3 attempts more per game than Cincy, so I don't believe Cam is being asked to throw a lot more vs Dalton.

Defensively, no contest. Cincy's defense is much better which you would be absolutely correct as to the main reason behind the records.

Cam's a more dynamic playmaker. I think he's still in the lead over Dalton right now. Although it certainly is much closer than it was a month ago.

[Brandon494]

Who doesn't like Newton? I don't think many people give a shit about whether he took money from a booster or whatever happened at Auburn. Some of us didn't like Vince Young coming out because he can't throw. Some of us don't like Tim Tebow's potential because he can't throw. Some of us didn't like JaMarcus Russell coming out because he's lazy. Some of us liked Newton coming out because he can throw, he's not lazy, and it seemed like he was actually a team leader. Most of these are pretty obvious now (Tebow's fate is to be determined). I think I'll be right on all four. Brandon, did you like Young and/or Russell coming out? If not, you were right on all four guys--just like me.

I thought VY would be good not knowing he would be a headcase. Russell was a clear bust from the get go and I had to laugh when some compared Cam to him during the offseason.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The stats:

Andy Dalton - 82.6 passer rating, 60.3 completion %, 6.5 ypa, 14 TDs, 9 interceptions, sacked 12 times, 1 fumble on a 6-3 team, 26 rushing yards
Cam Newton - 84.0 passer rating, 60.2 completion %, 8.0 ypa, 11 TDs, 10 interceptions, sacked 22 times, 5 fumbles on on a 2-7 team, 357 rushing yards

Stats look pretty darn close to me. I'd give Cam the edge, but I think it's close.

Another fact is that Dalton has been clutch in a lot of games--while Cam has not:

Dalton

Led 4th quarter comeback over Tennessee
Led 4th quarter comeback (actually, the game was tied heading into the 4th quarter) over Jacksonville
Led 4th quarter comeback over Buffalo
Led 4th quarter comeback over Cleveland

Newton

Led 4th quarter comeback over Jacksonville
He had a chance to win games late in 4 other close losses, but failed against Arizona, Green Bay, Chicago, and Minnesota. I won't fault him for the close loss to New Orleans because the Saints scored with 50 seconds--which didn't give Cam much time.

Like I said, it's close. If Dalton's stats remain solid and the Bengals make the playoffs, he has a shot at winning the award.

[Harlan Huckleby]

while there is no reason for anyone to dislike Dalton.

he was mean to the Badgers in the Rose Bowl. He kept taking snap before our guys were rested and ready. bastard.

[sharpe1027]

Maybe I am blinded since I was the only one on this board who thought Cam wouldnt be a bust. If someone showed you these two guys stats without knowing who they were and asked you who is having a better season it's pretty clear Cam would be favored.

Then provide some stats so the discussion is about that (rather than about your conclusions about other people's motives and personal feelings).

[gbgary]

he was mean to the Badgers in the Rose Bowl. He kept taking snap before our guys were rested and ready. bastard.

[Brandon494]

You guys love to leave out Cams 7 rushing TD

[gbgary]

You guys love to leave out Cams 7 rushing TD

that's why he's in the driver's seat as of now.