Hawk, Bishop Ruled Out For Sunday

[Patler]

Didn't Bishop go out of the game first, and wasn't Smith the first replacement in?

My memory is the reverse, but it was Thanksgiving and I was fighting distractions.

Per the JSO:

Smith replaced Bishop at the end of the first quarter. Francois replaced Hawk midway through the third.

Francois replacing Hawk "midway through the third" I believe was actually the first defensive series in the second half. Hawk did not play in the second half.

[pbmax]

Didn't Bishop go out of the game first, and wasn't Smith the first replacement in?

My memory is the reverse, but it was Thanksgiving and I was fighting distractions.

You are correct. From JSOnline http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...134477123.html

Smith replaced Bishop at the end of the first quarter. Francois replaced Hawk midway through the third. Side by side, they manned the cockpit of a game very much in doubt. The Packers held a 14-0 lead but the Lions were in Green Bay territory.

[pbmax]

[Patler]

Gotta be quicker PB!

Have you, or anyone, seen what these "calf injuries" are?
I wonder what new, nefarious weight room torture this year is causing calf injuries?
It seems like every year the Packers have numerous players with identical injuries, even if the injury is a somewhat uncommon one. I have often wondered if this results from similar training programs causing similar weaknesses, strains, whatever. The flavor of the season this year is calf injuries.

[Joemailman]

Gotta be quicker PB!

Have you, or anyone, seen what these "calf injuries" are?
I wonder what new, nefarious weight room torture this year is causing calf injuries?
It seems like every year the Packers have numerous players with identical injuries, even if the injury is a somewhat uncommon one. I have often wondered if this results from similar training programs causing similar weaknesses, strains, whatever. The flavor of the season this year is calf injuries.

Last year there did seem to be a lot of shoulder injuries. I don't know what to say about this year since there was no offseason training program. MM seemed to feel the injuries to Hawk and Bishop were fatigue injuries caused by playing 3 games in 11 days.

[pbmax]

Last year there did seem to be a lot of shoulder injuries. I don't know what to say about this year since there was no offseason training program. MM seemed to feel the injuries to Hawk and Bishop were fatigue injuries caused by playing 3 games in 11 days.

I have heard very little about weight room adjustments this year, which means the Packers have not completely transformed their weight room this year and/or fired the strength and conditioning coach.

The only mentions were in the preseason that they were paying close attention to fatigue.

I can report that I cramped up and nearly strained a calf taking off my shoe last night.

And of course, we should recommend that the Packers bring back free weights! Or get rid of them! Or if they have a mix, then they need to focus on one or the other because its clearly superior and the coach has seen it work wonders!

[Upnorth]

More calf injuries is less of a weight training and mor of an inadequate stretching problem to my (limited) knowledge.

[LEWCWA]

Francois is taking Hawk's spot as the Buck and Smith is taking Bishop's spot.

I just read that Bradshaw thinks he is going to play after sitting out 4-5 weeks. That could be extra bad news from a defensive perspective. Smith vs Bradshaw 1-on-1 with Peprah coming down to support. Thank god the Giants don't have a WR with the talent of Calvin Johnson to keep the safeties deep.

Shit I wouldn't be too sure, Nicks, Manningham and Cruz are better than what DET runs out there!

[mission]

Well, I'm definitely wrong so far. We got nothing from our ILBs today.

[ThunderDan]

Did you notice that NY put in an extra OL plus their big TE to get 7 270+ players on the line?

[mmmdk]

Bishop & Hawk were missed today!

[LEWCWA]

big time

[mraynrand]

I wonder what new, nefarious weight room torture this year is causing calf injuries?

Someone wanted veal

[George Cumby]

Last year there did seem to be a lot of shoulder injuries. I don't know what to say about this year since there was no offseason training program. MM seemed to feel the injuries to Hawk and Bishop were fatigue injuries caused by playing 3 games in 11 days.

This. The forearm and calf are designed to handle a LOT of use. One variable to consider when setting training volume is the degree of forearm and calf fatigue/soreness. If an athlete complains of excessive soreness/fatigue in these areas, it's time to give them a rest day or two; because if those muscles are that taxed, so it the entire system.

A pulled/strained gastrocnemius can be problematic if not dealt with appropriately, i.e.: rest. Smart to rest AJ and Bish.

[smuggler]

The refs didn't call any holding penalties all game, and that worked in the Giants' favor. Francois dropped a pick-6, other than that, the ILBs were pretty bad.