If the Packers went 19-0 and Rodgers never played another game

[Tarlam!]

19-0 and a league MVP and I think he'll be inching in on it. 4 years sounds really bad though. 5 and a tragedy and he's right on that fence.

Gotta get me some of that cool aide man.

What was so outstanding about his first btwo starting seasons? The first one sucked dogs balls. The second one he was mobbed and, despite it being an obvious penalty, he was accredited with the fumble that lost the game. Then, 19 games ago, the team went on a run.

I am a HUGE Rodgers fan. But Canton is reserved for the entire body of work. Even if they run the gauntlet this year, he won't even get a nomination unless he puts up some more serious years. Forget the first two. They were garbage. Forget the first half of last year. it was garbage. So right now, he has one and a half years of MVP play, even though many will come back and say his stats etc last two year were off the wall. Stats don't win championships.

Right now, he's in an elite discussion, but he is not even painting the fence let alone sitting on it.

[George Cumby]

Can we stop talking about some tragedy befalling our beloved QB? It's making me feel a little uncomfortable.

Like there's a Mark David Chapman out there or something....

[Tarlam!]

Can we stop talking about some tragedy befalling our beloved QB? It's making me feel a little uncomfortable.

Like there's a Mark David Chapman out there or something....

You're absolutely right George. My only point is, he has done no where near enough to warrant even being nominated, let alone elected. He needs a bigger body of work to be considered. And I LOVE the guy. But 2 great seasons does not a HOFer make.

[George Cumby]

You're absolutely right George. My only point is, he has done no where near enough to warrant even being nominated, let alone elected. He needs a bigger body of work to be considered. And I LOVE the guy. But 2 great seasons does not a HOFer make.

Concur.

[Smidgeon]

Gotta get me some of that cool aide man.

What was so outstanding about his first btwo starting seasons? The first one sucked dogs balls. The second one he was mobbed and, despite it being an obvious penalty, he was accredited with the fumble that lost the game. Then, 19 games ago, the team went on a run.

I am a HUGE Rodgers fan. But Canton is reserved for the entire body of work. Even if they run the gauntlet this year, he won't even get a nomination unless he puts up some more serious years. Forget the first two. They were garbage. Forget the first half of last year. it was garbage. So right now, he has one and a half years of MVP play, even though many will come back and say his stats etc last two year were off the wall. Stats don't win championships.

Right now, he's in an elite discussion, but he is not even painting the fence let alone sitting on it.

What was so outstanding about his first two years was purely statistics. He didn't have a defense his first year and didn't have an o-line his second. But it doesn't mean he wasn't playing well. He just wasn't other-worldly yet.

[Tarlam!]

What was so outstanding about his first two years was purely statistics. He didn't have a defense his first year and didn't have an o-line his second. But it doesn't mean he wasn't playing well. He just wasn't other-worldly yet.

Quite right! And we fans all felt the transition was warrated based on his play, even after the first season. We all felt the kid would be "other-worldly" one day. I remember feeling great about him. But, he was not yet able to put the team on his back, or at least the offense. Today he is. Realistically, that ability is relatively new, maybe half his career as a starter at best.

That ability, plus the inevitable records will get him a mention, sure. But to get into Canton, he needs to do it for years and years. I the SB MVP has him in at 1265 already, though, but not in the ring of fame yet.

[Smidgeon]

Nevermind

[Upnorth]

Quite right! And we fans all felt the transition was warrated based on his play, even after the first season. We all felt the kid would be "other-worldly" one day. I remember feeling great about him. But, he was not yet able to put the team on his back, or at least the offense. Today he is. Realistically, that ability is relatively new, maybe half his career as a starter at best.

That ability, plus the inevitable records will get him a mention, sure. But to get into Canton, he needs to do it for years and years. I the SB MVP has him in at 1265 already, though, but not in the ring of fame yet.

I thought he would be great half way through his first year, but I never guessed he would play like this.

[sheepshead]

Gayle Sayers comes to mind during this discussion, he only played in four full seasons a partial season after that I believe.

[Bossman641]

Can we stop talking about some tragedy befalling our beloved QB? It's making me feel a little uncomfortable.

X 1,000,000

[King Friday]

Gayle Sayers comes to mind during this discussion, he only played in four full seasons a partial season after that I believe.

But that example simply will not happen today. The league isn't made up of 12-20 teams anymore. With 32 starters in the league each year at every position, you can't play for only 4-5 years and make the HOF anymore IMO. There are just too many other players out there who will eventually contribute more to the game over the course of a longer career.

Besides, in looking at the QBs I feel the trend is that FEWER QBs will get in going forward than historically have reached Canton. The 60s-70s saw a lot of QBs make the HOF. I think this probably resulted from the fact that there were a lot of very good QBs, but few truly great ones. Teams were also more dependent on the running games, so QBs weren't quite as important to a team's offensive prowess as compared to today...making it harder to quantify who was greater at the position. Since Montana/Walsh revolutionized the QB position and offensive passing attack, the number of QBs getting into the HOF seems to have waned.

11 QBs earned their ticket to Canton who played primarily during a 20 year stretch from 1960-1980. In the 30 years since, we've only seen 10 QBs reach the HOF or earn bona-fide HOF credentials prior to reaching the ballot. 10 more years, 1 fewer QB. I expect that trend to continue since elite QBs can really establish themselves as such under the modern offensive rule structure favoring offenses.

1960-1970
Blanda
Bradshaw
Dawson
Fouts
Griese
Jurgensen
Namath
Starr
Staubach
Tarkenton
Unitas

1980-2010 (7 in, 3 will get in)
Aikman
Elway
Kelly
Marino
Montana
Moon
Young
(Favre)
(Manning)
(Brady)

[pbmax]

One HOF QB Might give Justin some ammunition on this topic:

Joe Montana: I never had a season as good as Aaron Rodgers

“The one he’s having right now is pretty phenomenal,” Montana said of Rodgers’ season. “I’m not sure I had one like that.”

He wasn't quite as effusive as the headline suggests, but it was clear he thought it was extraordinary.

[smuggler]

You know, it's hard not to like Montana. He's a pretty levelheaded dude.

[Tarlam!]

You know, it's hard not to like Montana. He's a pretty levelheaded dude.

The sortt of thing that, as Pack fans, we would hope would come from another ex Packer not named Bart Starr. Montana has class.

[sheepshead]