Single biggest cause of loss

[denverYooper]

Gee, I thought I saw Eli just stand in the pocket for what seemed like an eternity waiting for his receivers to get open. Of course Eli's guys hung onto the ball...

The big problem, as it had been all year, was third and long. They had the Giants in bad situations a few times early by getting some pressure and stopping up the run but couldn't get off of the field until after the onside kick. They seemed to wake up for a while after that until the 4th Q, but the D really had a chance to dictate the game early by getting out of some of those situations they had the Giants in. That is where the feeble pass rush really, really hurt and those were many of the frustrating situations where you often saw Eli with way too much time.

[denverYooper]

It seems like somebody has complained about the O-line every game this season. I'm just trying to say that the O-line was well down the list of problems. Not perfect, but they played well enough for us to win.

If they can re-sign Wells, they're pretty well set at 4 positions and I'd bet Newhouse will improve and serve as an ok LT until they can get Sherrod into the mix. Throw in EDS as a nice backup and that group should be in pretty good shape for at least next year and hopefully multiple years. TJ Lang was a pleasant surprise this year.

[mraynrand]

Lack of pass rush ultimately led to Packers' doom

Silverstein weighs in

Can't read this, but the title makes me think he's stupid. The Packers held in the second half. The loss was mostly due to the 'self-destruction' of the offense and maybe that stupid hail mary play.

[woodbuck27]

It was eerily like the KC game. NY had an easier time of it because they are better than KC. We better figure out how to handle this kind of defensive attack this offseason or 2012 is gonna be a long year.

Just some thoughts on Sundays Game and time leading up to it.

We've all been there. The effect of dealing with a personal tragedy; a shock that is deeply somehow personal. It's like your in some clouded effect or walking a little numb. Not able to concentrate. Thus was IMO the effect on OUR Green Bay Packers in the Giants second consecutive win in the plaoffs at Lambeau Field. I refuse to accept that as the scapegoat reason for the egg we saw Sunday. Was that the most tragic loss in Packer history? Hardly and over the top too much histrionics. We had to be ready for a really tough football team.The New York Giants act like a winning team. A team on the rise and brimming with confidence that they would do it to us again as they did in the 2007 season. Take the wind out of our sails like they did that cold winter day in 2008. They arrived in Green Bay wearing the winner hat. That we have nothing to lose attitude was gone and replaced with 'we will not be denied a win in Lambeau'. A close game never the less but they were going to win. Go on to win the Super Bowl? I like the Giants to get there. Then it's a different adversity to deal with.

This wasn't a tragic loss folks. It should have been anticipated, a real possibility. That loss to the Giants early in 2008 was a bigger shocker. We had it going on back then. Our team looked better overall than this seasons team. I believed in that Packer team and not nearly so much in this seasons team. I was using this game Vs the Giants as a true measuring stick as to what OUR teams real chances were in the NFC Final, 'given', surviving the Giants.

In that 2008 game we had it going on. Everything including the harsh elements working in our favor at Lambeau Field. That was our game to lose. I will always lay that loss on game preperation. Mike McCarthy in a learning curve. Mike McCartrhy made a poor decision to practise indoors when the game day forecast was far colder that 'just' cold. Special Packer fns will say it was 'a Brett Favre pick'. Those sam Packer fans will pin this loss on the OC tragedy. It's so interesting.

Mike McCarthy isn't a great HC as far as in game decisions are concerned; but give him time. He blew that early onside KO call. That was horrible. A loose l 'Mickey Mouse' decision. That was like watching some idiot on his own accord, trying to steal home plate and walking into the tag.

Before this game I was sure what we had to face. That our team would be well rested but possibly come out flat Vs a pumped up Giants team that is extremely well coached and better balanced given our 'D'. All week I had the Giants winning this game. I felt in order for our team to get a 'W'. Alot had to go just right. This Giant team would be difficult to deny. The San Francisco 49ers better be ready and not flying too high after that big win over the Saints. I had the 49ers winning that game. In my mind I had the Giants defeating us again in Lambeau; my heart said PACKERS.

[woodbuck27]

RANDOM THOUGHTS AND OBSERVATIONS:

Was Mike McCarthy outcoached? The Giants in T. C. have one helluva smart and hard working, experienced and players concerned HC. This fella knows how to deal with men and he had to learn that. It was managed by a decision to lighten up and care about his men.Mike McCarthy is just a different man. Mike McCarthy is genuine. He certainly cares about this ugly defeat that let Packer fans down.

Great but let's get to reality folks. Today he's still in shock. I feel bad for him. Did he believe he had a better team than he did? Didn"t he see his defense and moreso didn"t ted Thompson see it as we did and why did they not do something to fix it? Our team was doomed this season. There was little chance except to win the BIG games in shoot outs that we would repeat as Super Bowl Champions. Out defense was way too soft.

Somehow last season we entered the playoffs as the number 6 seed. The fact of entering the playoffs was well in doubt but we managed to get in inspite of tremendous adversity. We won a playoff game. That instilled some confidence. We saw a Aaron Rodgers led offense fully get that winning confidence. We also had what ...a fifth ranked defense. We won the NFC championship and when we went to the Super Bow. I and every Packer fan certainly believed we would take the Lombardi trophy back to Green Bay. That was OUR Championship. We had the muscle to do it. W had coordination with that muscle.

Was there any of you that still wondered how in the hell did we get there? How could we crawl out of the regular season moreso make the playoff and win the NFC and then come on..the Super Bowl!? What was that really? It blows me away that so many Packer fans could watch this season transpire and actually believe we would repeat. That wasn't in the stars moreso not in the cards Packer fans. We supported a team that had to be beaten and it was over fast as it was meant to be. The better team won last Sunday. The Giants stopped the bleeding.

There's alot wrong with OUR team. It won't be corrected in a season. We are close to better than the Lions but that team is on the rise. They have to learn to win the BIG game. So we are still a playoff contending team. We have a great QB that THINKS WIN EVERY GAME. We have more than adequate WR's; but where were WR's Nelson and Jones on Jan. 15, 2012? Was too much confidence placed in the Rodgers to Jennings combination? This season it's been the Rodgers to Nelson combination and that disappeared in this BIG game. Why was that? The best WR on that day may have played his last game as a Packer. What's wrong with that thought? Donald Driver has a nice 2 $million$ Bonus due next season but from an organization that once offered a certain QB 20 $million$ to retire; that shouldn't be an issue. We still have CAP money remaining from this season.The real issue will be what do you do with young WR's dedicated to breaking into the mix Vs loyalty to a great vet Packer WR who feels that he has plenty left in the tank. A man that's inspirational in the locker room and an awesome all round mentor and inspirational community minded man.

Donald Driver is one of my favourite Green Bay Packers over a five plus decade association with my team as a dedicated fan. I love Donald Driver more that any man that ever wore the Green and Gold. Donald Driver drafted bby the Green Bay Packers and playing his whole career thus far in our team colors. I was right there online as that draft pick (7th Round) was revealed to Packer Nation. I said to myself. He's raw but look at that athleticism. I believed we had a good one that day. Donald Driver is a beauty, he's been awesome!

I'm just now watching that call of the hail Mary pass to A. Nicks as the first half ended. Man did those announcers ever show bias towords the Giants. The Troy and Buck anti Packer show. Shit those two stink. Maybe I imagined that? NFW. (-:

That silly weak defensive play on that ball thrown high to the endzone. A real Hail Mary Pass this time folks. The real deal. Here it comes the real bomb. WOW! That play ever caused my heart to beat a little faster. My heart was in my mouth. That lousy defense of that pass. Did our secondary coach teach it that way? That was so pathetic. As was Bradleys run to set up that pass on the previous play. They let him get downfield in a razzle dazzle run and get out of bounds. WTF were our defenders thinking? That time would go faster all of a sudden? Bradley's ass had to go down on the tundra. So here we go to the kill shot. Maybe our 'D' was thinking that Eli would take a knee. Have some mercy?

Nope surprize!... it's a deep pass. OK no problem. Just track the fricken ball and knock it down without interfereing with the WR. Getting into position isn't standing behind A. Nicks and diddling a hand at the fricken ball. Get that ball or knock it down.

Was that the dagger? Of course not.

We owned the third quarter and put up 'only' 3 points. We still closed that 10 point gap to make it only 7 points down at 20-13 Giants. So we're absolute stinking up the joint. Playing a better team all round certainly to that point, and alive or very much in this game as we open the fourth quarter. Every Packer fan likely still believed in their hearts that we would get that big play; that turn around play. Nope Packer fans it wasn't ever going to happen. We just didn't have anymore left in OUR tank. We had our run and fortunately somehow in that run won a Super Bowl last season and a NFC Championship this season.

I believe alot may be blamed on the loss that OC Philbin suffered. That may well be the TRUTH as to why so many players were not into that game. I need to think about this more over the next few days. The bottom line is that these are Pro's and there to win for the fans.
They must step it up and overcome too much emotion.Win in spite of all adversity. That is exactly what it must take. Too many reasons why that didn't and wasn't going to happen this season. We did NOT have the team to repeat in a realistic sense that was improbable. Not with that defense that could not stand up for four quarters without an outstanding offensive outcome.

It's over and done. Time to go back and do some honest analysis and make those changes we need see made. The pressure falls again to the Packer GM and his coach's and Scout team. Get it done men. Get us back to the Show ASAP please.

FINAL ANALYSIS:

What happened? The Green Bay Packer 'D' is the worst in the NFL. That's unacceptable in terms of realistically gearing up to win a Super Bowl. The Packer offense simply failed again and again in their initial playoff game they went one and out. No real surprize or shock if you've been following OUR team. The bleeding has been going on for way too long and now it's been stopped. Time to find a new team. Time to be reborn - retool. That offense we believed?... could compensate forever for a sucky defense. No way can that be a reality folks in the NFL. Some team will find a way to trump you. That Packer offense went to seed temporarily on that day. That Packer offense placed over that top too much pressure on a weak defense that played as best it could and under an aerial attack has failed time after time. Mike McCarthy has to determine the reason for that failure and Ted Thompson has to react to fix it.

We need help at FS and on the corners. We need an outside linebacker. We need a solid pass rushing DE. We need alot more at LT and we cannot afford to not sign our center who's a FA. Can we afford J. Finley and his penchant to drop the ball and inability to be the blocker he needs be. You cannot coach up those things IMO. Players that drop the ball..have the dropsy's will continue to dropm the ball. ohh on that pass to him wide open just outside the giant goalline. That blown wide open opportunity like the missede pass to Jennings early in the game. Both are on Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers had a couple get away there. He's actually human Packer fans. We're some fortunate to have him as the star of our offense. He's the real deal. I love him. He has potential. (-;

The inevitable became a reality. We lost to a better balanced REAL Championship caliber team. The Giants are more than pretenders and I will be surprized if they do not defeat the 49ers. Every Packer fan might consider pulling for that result. (-:

The Packers will come back. I don't consider it will happen for a few seasons. I still relish the fact that in full sight of the factor of improbability we managed to get to last seasons Super Bowl and that fact took care of itself. We won another Super Bowl. OUR 13th Super Bowl and wasn"t that something else. I've certainly enjoyed that result this season. How did we manage that in a season of over the top to much adversity. Something like 20 startes injured seriously. That just couldn't be. The reason ot was was the players stepped up and were accountable and believing in one another as a team. They all knew that had a great QB leading them. That with Aaron Rodgers they could overcome.

This season. That 2011-12 Packer 'NO' defense. Forget it. WE getr what we had to get. Badly beaten up! Come on Ted Thompson. Wake up !

GO PACKERS !

[Pugger]

The big problem, as it had been all year, was third and long. They had the Giants in bad situations a few times early by getting some pressure and stopping up the run but couldn't get off of the field until after the onside kick. They seemed to wake up for a while after that until the 4th Q, but the D really had a chance to dictate the game early by getting out of some of those situations they had the Giants in. That is where the feeble pass rush really, really hurt and those were many of the frustrating situations where you often saw Eli with way too much time.

this

[woodbuck27]

Wanna know why we lost:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012011501/2011/POST19/giants@packers#menu=highlights&tab=recap

Now we need our GM to get it back on track. He has a load of work to do. That should have been his primary focus certainly as we began to see the slide at mid season. Why? Did Ted Thompson ignore the obvious. OUR terrible defense. We saw happen what had to happen eventually in the playoffs. We went one and out and lost to a better team. Our 'D' was faced with an opposition QB that knows what it takes to get his team the 'W'. We were faced with dealing with an opposition team's HC that knows how to prepare his team to defeat the defending Super Bowl champ.

As Packer fans we should not be in shock. The writing was clearly on the wall.

Now that run is over. It's so tough to repeat as Super Bowl champs. We need to reload...see our GM's primary focus placed on fixing OUR team.

GO Ted Thompson.

[woodbuck27]

Doesn't this video remind you a little of us last season. Overcoming adversity and the season on the line and sneaking into the playoffs and building one win at a time to something special. The New York Giants are what we were last season. They had to fight hard to get into the playoffs and ended the regular season at 9-7. Looking down and out as we did last season after the Lion game. The Giants get it back and together. They soundly defeat the limping Cowboys in week 17 and thump the very decent Atlanta Falcons on Wild Card Sunday.

Hello for a return to Lambeau Field and a rematch to recall that cold cold NFC Championship game Vs a very tough Green Bay Packer team ( 2007 Season). This time the prospects of a win looked no better in one sense that we had such a scary offense but they had the more complete team:

The whole picture in Video.......

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012011501/2011/POST19/giants@packers#menu=highlights&tab=recap

They made OUR team the very first Super Bowl Championship team to go one and out the following season in the playoffs.

Will the New York Giants become the very first regular season 'nine win' team to win the Super Bowl?

How long will it take for the GREEN BAY PACKERS to return to the SHOW?

GO PACKERS!

[ThunderDan]

Wanna know why we lost:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012011501/2011/POST19/giants@packers#menu=highlights&tab=recap

Now we need our GM to get it back on track. He has a load of work to do. That should have been his primary focus certainly as we began to see the slide at mid season. Why? Did Ted Thompson ignore the obvious. OUR terrible defense. We saw happen what had to happen eventually in the playoffs. We went one and out and lost to a better team. Our 'D' was faced with an opposition QB that knows what it takes to get his team the 'W'. We were faced with dealing with an opposition team's HC that knows how to prepare his team to defeat the defending Super Bowl champ.

As Packer fans we should not be in shock. The writing was clearly on the wall.

Now that run is over. It's so tough to repeat as Super Bowl champs. We need to reload...see our GM's primary focus placed on fixing OUR team.

GO Ted Thompson.

You do know after week 5 you can only imnprove by picking up street FAs or a player from the waiver wire?

[swede]

Lots of reasons, obviously...

Not stating this is the most important thing but the Philbin situation is unique. We've all lost loved ones; close ones... it always puts into perspective what's important in life. Makes you reflect on what you're doing and if you're making the most of every day. Here you have guys supposed to be getting fired up for war, for the most important day of their year... and, well, it's not life or death when the other team is kind of looking at it like it is. It's not bigger than losing your son. I don't know -- you'd like the 'win one for the gipper' but death is emotionally draining and really makes you think about things you really had no intention of thinking about or things you really had no way of even grasping previously. How could this game be THAT important? You'd like to think it is, but the way the Packers looked -- it wasn't.

Well put. Those feelings are in my heart as well.

Many reasons: three weeks off for some of the injured/invaluable starters may have hurt more than it helped; the unavoidable tragedy of grieving; legitimate weaknesses at safety, OLB, and DE...

Next year we will be quite good again. Hope springs a turtle.

[mraynrand]

Hope springs a turtle.

[woodbuck27]

You do know after week 5 you can only imnprove by picking up street FAs or a player from the waiver wire?

Ever hear of the word TRADE?

[Bossman641]

Ever hear of the word TRADE?

WB, that is what Dan was talking about. The NFL trade deadline is the Tuesday after week 6.

[sharpe1027]

This isn't the NBA. Very few player trades happen during the season. It takes two to tango.

[pbmax]

Ouch.