Packers, Finley leaning towards long-term deal, agent says

[denverYooper]

https://twitter.com/#!/evansilva/status/162594886451867648

Per @BobMcGinn, Jermichael Finley had 7 drops in 117 career targets (6%) entering 2011. Dropped 13 of 103 (13%) in '11. http://is.gd/hGgXRt

[swede]

Per @BobMcGinn, Jermichael Finley had 7 drops in 117 career targets (6%) entering 2011. Dropped 13 of 103 (13%) in '11. http://is.gd/hGgXRt

I ask this seriously. If those numbers are good, and I have no evidence they are not, why does it seem that he dropped 30% of the passes that came his way? I can't believe I was all upset at the guy for missing one out of nine.

[hoosier]

Per @BobMcGinn, Jermichael Finley had 7 drops in 117 career targets (6%) entering 2011. Dropped 13 of 103 (13%) in '11.

I ask this seriously. If those numbers are good, and I have no evidence they are not, why does it seem that he dropped 30% of the passes that came his way? I can't believe I was all upset at the guy for missing one out of nine.

Return to remedial math! He dropped one out of eight this year. 13% drop rate is terrible, especially considering that he is supposed to have good hands. The pre-2011 are reasonably good, but that just makes Finley's 2011 even worse.

[smuggler]

Because sometimes he didn't catch passes that he could have and they didn't count them as a drop. Dropping one pass per game is outright bad.

[Patler]

http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/corp/pa...ing/402?feed=2

Good article by Jason Wilde on Finley.

An interesting analysis of a play for which many blamed Rodgers for throwing inaccurately or with too much velocity:

Facing third-and-5 from the Giants’ 39-yard line, quarterback Aaron Rodgers had Finley wide open on a short slant route, but Rodgers’ fastball was too far in front of Finley, who dove and got his right hand on the ball before it fell incomplete. The Packers went for it on fourth-and-5 on the next play, and Rodgers was sacked for a 6-yard loss. The Giants got the ball back and took a 23-13 lead on a Lawrence Tynes field goal after a 10-play drive that bled 5:06 off the clock.


Asked after the game what went wrong on the play, Rodgers replied: “I missed my spot maybe a little bit. But I’ll have to go back and look at the film and see what happened.”
On Tuesday, Rodgers still hadn’t broken down the film from the loss but explained the play on his weekly radio show on ESPN Milwaukee and ESPN Madison this way: “Just not executing. One of those things where, we like the play call. We had a combination Randall (Cobb) and Jermichael on one side, the other three guys running combination routes (on the other side). I kind of took my eyes to the left at first because I wanted to come back to the Jermichael/Cobb side, and when I came back we just weren’t able to connect. And then fourth down, (the Giants) had a defense that was really good for the play we had called and we got beat and nobody was open.”


It appeared as if Finley slowed down during his route, but Rodgers never mentioned that and Finley said after the game that he never slowed down.


“I was still running through the ball. It was one of those plays I couldn’t make. There was too much on it and it was out there a little,” Finley explained. “The fans think it was me, probably. It was just one of those things. If you’re looking on the outside, you probably think I dropped the ball.”

Actually, it turns out that Finley ran his route incorrectly – one of those details that McAdoo believes he can be better with.

According to McAdoo, Finley was supposed to run a 5-step slant route on the play. Instead, McAdoo said, Finley was “a little bit quick with it” and only ran it at three steps before his break.


“What happened is, he hit the hole and he got there a little bit quick. And that forced him to throttle down, as opposed to taking five (steps) and getting there in stride,” McAdoo explained. “And it kind of threw the timing between him and the quarterback off a little bit.
“One more step and it’s a completion and we’re looking at a different ballgame possibly.”


Asked Wednesday if that play was evidence of how much room Finley has to improve as a young player, McCarthy agreed, although he also absolved Finley by saying that other receivers run imprecise routes from time to time and the pass still gets completed. At the same time, McCarthy suggested that the route had more to do with the completion than the throw’s velocity or location.

I would feel better if Finley came out and said, "I screwed up the route." Instead, he tries to deflect blame. "too much on it" and it (the throw) was "out there a little" "If you're looking on the outside, you probably think I dropped the ball."

Finley is an interesting case. MM insists (and I have no reason to doubt it) that Finley works as hard as anyone and really wants to excel. On the other hand, we have seen him deflect blame and fail to accept responsibility on more than one occasion. He will really have arrived when he is willing to accept fault when the greatest share of blame is on someone else.

[Brandon494]

Hahahaha

[Patler]

https://twitter.com/#!/evansilva/status/162594886451867648

Per @BobMcGinn, Jermichael Finley had 7 drops in 117 career targets (6%) entering 2011. Dropped 13 of 103 (13%) in '11. http://is.gd/hGgXRt

In another article, McGinn said that in 2010 Finley had 0 drops in 25 targeted passes, so the 7 drops were in 92 targets, or 7.6%, before 2010.

Again the Finley dichotomy:

Is he a TE with good hands who had a bad year in 2011; or
Is he a TE with marginal hands who had a hot streak in 2010 ???

Which will he be in 2012 and after?

All this leads me to believe the more likely scenario is a franchise tag for Finley, to give him one more season to prove himself, unless he is willing to accept a reasonable contract heavy with incentives, or a relatively short contract like Jones (3 years).

[Patler]

Hahahaha

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[Cheesehead Craig]

To me it was simply a case of Finley believing he was going to sit in a pocket in the zone and Rodgers thinking he was going to keep running.

[George Cumby]

An interesting analysis of a play for which many blamed Rodgers for throwing inaccurately or with too much velocity:
I would feel better if Finley came out and said, "I screwed up the route." Instead, he tries to deflect blame. "too much on it" and it (the throw) was "out there a little" "If you're looking on the outside, you probably think I dropped the ball."

Finley is an interesting case. MM insists (and I have no reason to doubt it) that Finley works as hard as anyone and really wants to excel. On the other hand, we have seen him deflect blame and fail to accept responsibility on more than one occasion. He will really have arrived when he is willing to accept fault when the greatest share of blame is on someone else.

This is where I take issue with him, besides the drops, that is. All too often in the press it's not his fault. He hasn't full on thrown Rodgers under the bus like in his rookie year; he said something like he doesn't do back-shoulder throws or some nonsense, but he still doesn't accept accountability like a professional should. The excuse of young and immature is starting to wear thin. He needs to get it together this next season and perform. The potential is there to dominate if he screws his head on straight.

[HarveyWallbangers]

In another article, McGinn said that in 2010 Finley had 0 drops in 25 targeted passes, so the 7 drops were in 92 targets, or 7.6%, before 2010.

Again the Finley dichotomy:

Is he a TE with good hands who had a bad year in 2011; or
Is he a TE with marginal hands who had a hot streak in 2010 ???

Which will he be in 2012 and after?

All this leads me to believe the more likely scenario is a franchise tag for Finley, to give him one more season to prove himself, unless he is willing to accept a reasonable contract heavy with incentives, or a relatively short contract like Jones (3 years).

How many drops his rookie year and how many his second year?

[Patler]

How many drops his rookie year and how many his second year?

I have no clue. All I have are two stat comments from McGinn in recent articles:

7 in 117 before 2011.
0 in 25 in 2010.

Therefore, 7 in 92 before 2010.

[Pugger]

To me it was simply a case of Finley believing he was going to sit in a pocket in the zone and Rodgers thinking he was going to keep running.

And I'm sure this isn't the first time that has happened between Rodgers and one of his receivers. Finley dropped passes but it looks like every receiver goes thru times like this. Jones and Nelson had a bad case of the drops in 2010. If this continues in 2012 for Finley then we have a problem.

[mraynrand]

Geezus, Finley wasn't sitting down in a zone. He took three steps, whatever, and made his cut. He looked like he was running pretty fast to me - not "throttling down." Rodgers wasn't throwing with a blindfold on - he still could have thrown a better ball, even if Finley wasn't running the perfect pattern. Pass and catch, it's not that hard.

Still, maybe I'm wrong. I'll run some partial differential equations on the velocity and the rotational angular momentum of Finley's cut and on the football and get back to you.

[swede]

Geezus, Finley wasn't sitting down in a zone. He took three steps, whatever, and made his cut. He looked like he was running pretty fast to me - not "throttling down." Rodgers wasn't throwing with a blindfold on - he still could have thrown a better ball, even if Finley wasn't running the perfect pattern. Pass and catch, it's not that hard.

Still, maybe I'm wrong. I'll run some partial differential equations on the velocity and the rotational angular momentum of Finley's cut and on the football and get back to you.

I feel that way too. Is Rodgers such a robot he can't recalculate a receiver bumped slightly off a route or making a two-step error? This wasn't a back shoulder throw, it was a slant.

Btw, don't do the math in your head or Hoosier will mock you. This site demands slide rule accuracy, and that's okay.
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