IF I am TT, HERE IS MY PLAN

[Joemailman]

I don't think TT will draft OL in the 1st round. But if people think he's going to solely draft defense because of what happened last year, TT don't operate that way.

[Bretsky]

B,

Your suggestions aren't nearly the complete disaster I was expecting. Mostly agree, except for a few minor quibbles:

1) Quarless is horribly damaged goods. You can't get anything in return for him right now.
2) I question whether the motive for your Jones move was just to save Driver for another year. I actually wouldn't mind saying goodbye to both of them if there are big upside developmental players waiting in the wings.

I'm kind of disappointed you mostly agree

Truth be told, I like to create threads that spur discussion and disagreement. People agreeing on things bores me

This weekend I'm about to pour out my post season grades on each positional category if time allows

My motive on Jones. I think he's vastly overrated and wonder if his stats could garner us a 4th...maybe a high 5th.
I think he's clearly our 5th best option and we've seen his best IMO from him last year.

I take the money savings and roll it to a veteran safety.

Driver, I think I restructuve for 1.5 MIL to 2MIL per year. His presence and leadership means a lot in that locker room and the dude still has talent to be a 3 or 4. And you get Jones out of the way so Cobb can excel

[Bretsky]

Bretsky-

Great idea for a thread. Pretty tough to be the first guy in the pool!

Thank You
I never mind coming out of the gate first
I enjoy taking the bullets and firing back as well; it's all good.

[Bretsky]

Why in the hell would you trade James Jones when he is signed for cheap as hell for a 5th or 6th round player who most likely wouldn't even make the team?

I trade him after the yr he had because IMO he's our fifth option soon and I don't want to pay him even what we are when he'll be behind Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, and Finley in production. I also think his upside is limited so I'm trying to get something for him and I can.

I take his money and sign a veteran safety or CB.

[Bretsky]

Jones wouldn't fetch a 3rd. Teams could have had him for nothing more than a few million/year last year, and I don't think most personnel people change their minds easily. That being said, why trade Jones and keep Driver? Jones is the better and cheaper player. Now, I don't know what Driver would want, but he's good for another year at most IMHO. Is a better and cheaper player worth giving up for a late round pick? I don't think so.

Jones moves aside so Cobb can develop as well. Cobb will be far better than Jones IMO. JJ is our #5 option within two years. Driver brings great leadership and presence in the clubhouse and IMO is still a capable #3/#4 WR. If age is equal I'd be playing Driver before Jones. I think we can trim his salary to the 2MIL/yr range.

[Bretsky]

[QUOTE=ND72;654310]WOW...Bretsky, if I had gotten hired in Fort Atkinson, we might have to go for a beer over this one...

Agreed with this.


Yeah, I donno. I really see the value in a solid center. The Vikings gave up on Matt Birk, and he's still doing well...granted he's not as undersized.


Agreed.


What is this the NBA? $20-25 mil a year? I get ya though, 4 years $20-25 mil. Seems ok. He may want more. Even though I was the first to say he's gotta go...he's gotta stay, and we have to keep a guy with as much potential on this team.


um...No. You cut Driver and keep Jones. Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Cobb are our future at WR. You bring in one of those PS guys to be a special teamer.


Likely can't trade Quarless if you wanted, cause he probably won't even play this season. Quarless has something, not great, but he's a solid #2/3 TE, with hopes that Williams grows and passes him up. I like our 3 TE's...Crabtree however, I'm not a fan of.


If collins has to retire, Woodson goes to Safety, and we need a 3rd CB more than anything. The talent depth at DB scares me.


Pat Lee blows, House who knows, and I personally can't stand Bush...sometimes ya gotta cut the Bush.


I know it's still rag on Hawk, but you have 3 starters in Matthews, Bishop, Hawk..now you need a 4th. You could cut the rest of the LB's and start over IMO.


Our ILB suffered also. In the 34 those 3 guys need to take on all double teams to keep guys off of our ILB, and I didn't see that happening this year. We need a Cullen Jenkins type to apply pressure and eat blocks. If we're going to rag on players, Raji can be thrown into that bunch, he sadly underperformed.


We play too much madden at times. I don't argue trading out of round 1, but TT doesn't move around that much with that much thought process. Truth is, there is a lot of bottom end 1st round talent this year, so unless we trade up, I don't see us moving anywhere. TT will find a guy at our current spot. 2-4 playmakers?? Are you talking sitting there for us to take, or for us to actually take? Cause if we could get 2 playmakers in every draft, TT would be king.


Yes.


People made fun of me, but LaMichael James looks good in Green. Just sayin...


And as we all know, TT does nothing we expect.

1 Yes, if you got the job in Fort we'd have already sucked plenty of beers over Packer Talk and I'd have my draft day buddy here each yr as well
2. I agree James would look great in green n gold. But we can't take him in round one and I'm not sure he lasts til 2
3. Most people think more of James Jones than I do

[pbmax]

that would be 3 straight drafts taking a LT in the first round

thats like matt millen type goofy

Close, but at least you could make an argument for LT being important enough.

[ND72]

1 Yes, if you got the job in Fort we'd have already sucked plenty of beers over Packer Talk and I'd have my draft day buddy here each yr as well
2. I agree James would look great in green n gold. But we can't take him in round one and I'm not sure he lasts til 2
3. Most people think more of James Jones than I do

I wouldn't take James round 1...but end round 2 maybe 3? I believe he's projected as a 3/4 right now. Brees became a different thrower this year with Sproles, would love to see Rodgers with a guy like that.

[Pugger]

I highly doubt TT will use another 1st rounder on a offensive lineman with the way our defense played last season.

I hope not!

[Pugger]

It would be telling if we knew what kind of offer TT gave Wells that he rebuffed...

[HarveyWallbangers]

Jones moves aside so Cobb can develop as well. Cobb will be far better than Jones IMO. JJ is our #5 option within two years. Driver brings great leadership and presence in the clubhouse and IMO is still a capable #3/#4 WR. If age is equal I'd be playing Driver before Jones. I think we can trim his salary to the 2MIL/yr range.

You don't let go of solid, younger, relatively cheap young players to keep a guy like Driver on the roster for one year. Cobb may beat out Jones, but;

1) You need depth. Personally, I don't consider Driver much depth anymore. Driver really feel off physically last year. Sure, he still made some nice catches, but when a team can cover you with mostly a LB, your days are numbered. Having 4 good receivers is paramount for this team. They won 15 games last year almost entirely because of the passing game. What happens if Jennings (he's gotten nicked in the past), Cobb (hasn't proven he can take a full workload in the NFL), or Finley (injury prone) goes down?
2) Cobb and Jones are different types of players. Cobb is a slot guy--like Driver. He'll be an upgrade on Driver, but I don't think he can necessarily go outside. Have you seen the problems the Vikings have had trying to play Percy Harvin on the outside? And Harvin is a superior talent to Cobb. Jennings can do it all. Nelson and Jones are outside guys. Jones is good insurance for Jennings or Nelson if they go down. With Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, and Driver, you lose a lot if Jennings or Nelson goes down. You don't have a good outside receiver to replace them. With Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, and Jones you have more flexibility.

[Smidgeon]

You don't let go of solid, younger, relatively cheap young players to keep a guy like Driver on the roster for one year. Cobb may beat out Jones, but;

1) You need depth. Personally, I don't consider Driver much depth anymore. Driver really feel off physically last year. Sure, he still made some nice catches, but when a team can cover you with mostly a LB, your days are numbered. Having 4 good receivers is paramount for this team. They won 15 games last year almost entirely because of the passing game. What happens if Jennings (he's gotten nicked in the past), Cobb (hasn't proven he can take a full workload in the NFL), or Finley (injury prone) goes down?
2) Cobb and Jones are different types of players. Cobb is a slot guy--like Driver. He'll be an upgrade on Driver, but I don't think he can necessarily go outside. Have you seen the problems the Vikings have had trying to play Percy Harvin on the outside? And Harvin is a superior talent to Cobb. Jennings can do it all. Nelson and Jones are outside guys. Jones is good insurance for Jennings or Nelson if they go down. With Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, and Driver, you lose a lot if Jennings or Nelson goes down. You don't have a good outside receiver to replace them. With Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, and Jones you have more flexibility.

Excellent post. (I like pretending my opinion matters. )

[Lurker64]

You just can't keep Driver at his current salary. He's not worth the $5m he's scheduled to be paid, as much as we love him.

[3irty1]

The only thing you're doing with Quarless is putting him on the PUP.

Also, 12 picks in this years draft isn't enough?

[Smidgeon]

The only thing you're doing with Quarless is putting him on the PUP.

Also, 12 picks in this years draft isn't enough?

Plus the four or so undrafted rookies that will be brought in for competition.