IF I am TT, HERE IS MY PLAN

[Upnorth]

We have a fair bit of depth, now I want impact d players. I hope we stay in the first and trade for another early second, and also trade our current second into the first half on the second. If this is a good defensive draft then let's take advantage of it now. We need impact on the d, go get it.

Also if cliffy is cut and driver is cheaper we could look at free agency for a pass rush. I doubt we do, but it might be nice this year.

[Smidgeon]

We have a fair bit of depth, now I want impact d players. I hope we stay in the first and trade for another early second, and also trade our current second into the first half on the second. If this is a good defensive draft then let's take advantage of it now. We need impact on the d, go get it.

Also if cliffy is cut and driver is cheaper we could look at free agency for a pass rush. I doubt we do, but it might be nice this year.

If we sell out in a draft, we'll pay for it for years to come.

[Upnorth]

So we sold out to get CM111, and are still paying for it. Sometimes its worth it. We have good depth, now we need qualty starters.

[red]

You don't let go of solid, younger, relatively cheap young players to keep a guy like Driver on the roster for one year. Cobb may beat out Jones, but;

1) You need depth. Personally, I don't consider Driver much depth anymore. Driver really feel off physically last year. Sure, he still made some nice catches, but when a team can cover you with mostly a LB, your days are numbered. Having 4 good receivers is paramount for this team. They won 15 games last year almost entirely because of the passing game. What happens if Jennings (he's gotten nicked in the past), Cobb (hasn't proven he can take a full workload in the NFL), or Finley (injury prone) goes down?
2) Cobb and Jones are different types of players. Cobb is a slot guy--like Driver. He'll be an upgrade on Driver, but I don't think he can necessarily go outside. Have you seen the problems the Vikings have had trying to play Percy Harvin on the outside? And Harvin is a superior talent to Cobb. Jennings can do it all. Nelson and Jones are outside guys. Jones is good insurance for Jennings or Nelson if they go down. With Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, and Driver, you lose a lot if Jennings or Nelson goes down. You don't have a good outside receiver to replace them. With Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, and Jones you have more flexibility.

yeah, but you also have two guys on the PS that the team really likes. one is kind of the same type of receiver as jones. plus trading jones and bringing up gurly would give us some cap space

[ND72]

So we sold out to get CM111, and are still paying for it. Sometimes its worth it. We have good depth, now we need qualty starters.

Are you my college roommate in disguise? We've said this for the past couple years. We have the guys, now it's time to go after some guys to put us over the hump...of course after winning a super bowl and going 15-2, the hump isn't so big, but now that we've won, it's time to become the 1960's packers, and make this the last time we lose in the playoffs.

[Smidgeon]

I just don't want to become the 2010 Vikings.

[Gunakor]

I just don't want to become the 2010 Vikings.

The Vikings collapse had to do with much more than poor drafting or FA spending. I don't think we have much to worry about with the core of our roster all relatively healthy, under age 30, and have no pending disciplinary action hanging over their heads.

[Upnorth]

Are you my college roommate in disguise? We've said this for the past couple years. We have the guys, now it's time to go after some guys to put us over the hump...of course after winning a super bowl and going 15-2, the hump isn't so big, but now that we've won, it's time to become the 1960's packers, and make this the last time we lose in the playoffs.

College was the best 8 years of my life. I only remember 4. If you are one of my old roomates you were either my ex fiance, an eskimo, a very fat angry redhead, the one who lived in his room or you dropped out and became a mechanic. If one of them is you I hope its the mechanic, because I don't like the others.

[Smidgeon]

The Vikings collapse had to do with much more than poor drafting or FA spending. I don't think we have much to worry about with the core of our roster all relatively healthy, under age 30, and have no pending disciplinary action hanging over their heads.

You've always got to be churning over the roster and bringing in new talent. Role players matter too, and there appear to be significant depth issues. I'll take the occasional trade up, but I don't want to sell out in any draft to move up several times (BJ Sanders, anyone?).

[sharpe1027]

We have a fair bit of depth, now I want impact d players. I hope we stay in the first and trade for another early second, and also trade our current second into the first half on the second. If this is a good defensive draft then let's take advantage of it now. We need impact on the d, go get it.

Also if cliffy is cut and driver is cheaper we could look at free agency for a pass rush. I doubt we do, but it might be nice this year.

I think they will trade up IF:

1) They have someone rated significantly above the remaining players (CMIII).
2) They the rated player is within reasonable trade up territory.
3) They find a willing trade partner.

The odds of all three happening are probably no more than 50%. Otherwise they stay put or even trade for higher picks in future drafts (Patriots' style).

Although the odds of getting a better player improve with the location of the draft pick, they also improve with the number of picks. Hypothetically speaking, let's say a 2nd round pick is 20% likely to be an "impact" player and a 3rd round pick is only 13%. In that hypothetical, you are more likely to get an impact player with two third rounders.

I'm not saying that those percentages are accurate, but it's not so clear cut that trading up yields more impact players.

[Upnorth]

So now that Finley is signed everyone is talking tag and trade Flynn. Changing gears, if we cut/restructure driver we could tag Wells and make sure we have a top 5 oline protecting the franchise.

Thoughts.

[Smidgeon]

So now that Finley is signed everyone is talking tag and trade Flynn. Changing gears, if we cut/restructure driver we could tag Wells and make sure we have a top 5 oline protecting the franchise.

Thoughts.

I think it'd be overpaying Wells. If he's looking for top dollar, no way he'd negotiate after receiving the tag. He'd be making left tackle money and hit free agency the following year. Here are the Packers' options for Wells:

1) Come to terms on a long term deal
2) Have someone on the roster already primed to take his place (Patler mentioned Genus)
3) Draft or sign someone

And until the left tackle solidifies into more than average, I'm not going to call it a top 5 online. Though it's looked better than past years.

[Joemailman]

It would cost 9.4 mil to franchise Wells. Probably not gonna happen.

Franchise Flynn. Trade him to Cleveland for the #22 pick and pick Konz at either 22 or 28.

[Bretsky]

We are devoid of quality talent at DL and OLB

This draft IMO is pretty deep there and there are going to be some very quality guys still on the board in mid second round.

Right or wrong I'm a stubborn dude and I'm sticking with my plan. I'm gathering picks and ending up with two 2nd's in the 35-45 range. In those slots you can find a playmaker at DL and a pass rushing OLB that will help us for many years to come.

I just don't value James....Just aguy Jones as hightly as most in here. If I can get a four I jump at it, use the money to sign that veteran safety, keep Driver at a reduced rate, and let some newcomers fight it out for the #5 and #6 WR.

[Bretsky]

And another thing.........and I will surely admit it when I'm wrong......and HOPEFULLY I am wrong.......happened lots before

But IMO you guys are smoking some really good jujuuuu if you think TT is going to be slick enough to get some teams offering up high picks for Matt Flynn