Hargrove out 8 games

[MadScientist]

I wonder what they will do with him? He will be out half the season, and then probably of no use for another 2 or 3 weeks after that, just like the guys coming off PUP, only two weeks further into the season.

I'm not sure there is a lot of reasons to even hang on to him. He won't likely be signed by anyone else. If the Packers need him late in the season, he should be available for signing at that time.

No cost to hanging on to him since there is no signing bonus and no salary being paid. They can always cut him after the suspension without any regrets.

There is a slight risk of a season ending injury during preseason, so they'd be on the hook for half a season, but that is only $425K.

[HarveyWallbangers]

No cost to hanging on to him since there is no signing bonus and no salary being paid. They can always cut him after the suspension without any regrets.

There is a slight risk of a season ending injury during preseason, so they'd be on the hook for half a season, but that is only $425K.

Agreed. He wouldn't cost a roster spot. I see it being a bit similar to a guy on PUP, like Starks a couple of years ago. Maybe he comes late in the season, gets a chance because of an injury, and makes a difference. I'm pretty sure Thompson knew a suspension was looming when he signed him.

[Pugger]

I wonder what they will do with him? He will be out half the season, and then probably of no use for another 2 or 3 weeks after that, just like the guys coming off PUP, only two weeks further into the season.

I'm not sure there is a lot of reasons to even hang on to him. He won't likely be signed by anyone else. If the Packers need him late in the season, he should be available for signing at that time.

We don't have a lot invested in him monetarily so I suspect unless he stinks in TC he'll sit out his suspension and return just in time for the playoff push.

[woodbuck27]

Vilma is gone through the playoffs. Not quite 365 as it ends after the SB, but the only difference is that he is not suspended during the down time between SB and OTA's.

Good.

By the way as we would expect ...'Darren Sharper is making waves'.

He's annoid at the penalty's. It seems to me as if he's almost 'in denial' or certainly acting that way. He didn't know much about it.

I'm taking it from that that he doesn't listen to speech's.

[pbmax]

Oh good. Another summer filled with Goodell, De Smith and Federal Appeals Courts. I can't wait. Vilma, we seem to know what goods they have on him. Wonder what Hargrove was found to do other than celebrate Favre leaving the game?

EDIT: Tom Oates at the State Journal makes a good point. Whatever Hargrove's actions were under the program, he is getting dinged at least partially because he lied to investigators the first time. Assuming, of course, he did know about it. And that San Fran tape, while long after Hargrove had left, is pretty damming about the public nature of it. I don't think this one is coming back.

EDIT2: Credit Judy Battista for that nugget Oates repeated. Also, Hargrove told a player on another team that Favre was a target of a bounty. Judging by the chatter about appeals, he might stand a chance on fighting this one if he brought no harm to Favre, collected no money or paid for harm to be brought. But its also convincing evidence that he lied to the League. So even a reversal on this point probably leaves the bulk of the suspension in place.

[ThunderDan]

Don't agree with NFLPA on this one. Some of your members were getting paid to target other members.

The other players should have team meetings with their union representative and vote not to challenge the suspensions.

[woodbuck27]

No cost to hanging on to him since there is no signing bonus and no salary being paid. They can always cut him after the suspension without any regrets.

There is a slight risk of a season ending injury during preseason, so they'd be on the hook for half a season, but that is only $425K.

No loss was he ever a gain?

[pbmax]

Don't agree with NFLPA on this one. Some of your members were getting paid to target other members.

The other players should have team meetings with their union representative and vote not to challenge the suspensions.

That's the multi-thousand dollar question. So far, evidence of actual payments and players knocked out of games are pretty scarce.

If you remove actual payments, this looks no different than all the ex-players who said it was OK to talk about cutting the head off the Offensive snake, but that being rewarded financially was a step too far.

[mraynrand]

I doubt it. I don't think Neal chose to appeal and even if Hargrove appeals, there is a lot of time to complete the appeal before the first game. I am not sure that there is any other way to delay the suspensions.

Maybe he can do what Fat Williams did - appeal until his career is effectively over.

[mraynrand]

Ouch, that's pretty harsh. And if Goodell tows the line like he did with the other punishments, there's not much point in appealing - gone are the Starcap days of pushing back the suspension until you were ready to retire.

I see you beat me to this punchline.... pays to read the whole thread - except for Woody.

[pbmax]

Maybe he can do what Fat Williams did - appeal until his career is effectively over.

That is why I always insist on separate attorneys when faced with diet pill use charges as a group. You wouldn't believe how many people are playing out the string in Weight Watchers.

[Guiness]

Oh good. Another summer filled with Goodell, De Smith and Federal Appeals Courts. I can't wait. Vilma, we seem to know what goods they have on him. Wonder what Hargrove was found to do other than celebrate Favre leaving the game?

EDIT: Tom Oates at the State Journal makes a good point. Whatever Hargrove's actions were under the program, he is getting dinged at least partially because he lied to investigators the first time. Assuming, of course, he did know about it. And that San Fran tape, while long after Hargrove had left, is pretty damming about the public nature of it. I don't think this one is coming back.

EDIT2: Credit Judy Battista for that nugget Oates repeated. Also, Hargrove told a player on another team that Favre was a target of a bounty. Judging by the chatter about appeals, he might stand a chance on fighting this one if he brought no harm to Favre, collected no money or paid for harm to be brought. But its also convincing evidence that he lied to the League. So even a reversal on this point probably leaves the bulk of the suspension in place.

Yup, lying about it to the inquiry 2 years ago seems to be the reason for the suspension. I guess it's a fine line between keeping your trap shut and ratting out your buddies.

[Joemailman]

Jarius Wynn is currently the happiest man in America.

I still think he'll struggle to make it. You'll have Guy, Wilson, Daniels, Muir and Wynn vying for 3 spots. My money would be on Guy, Wilson and Daniels. Wynn would have to clearly beat them out to make it since they may have some upside. At this point, I think Wynn is as good as he will get.

[Joemailman]

Good.

By the way as we would expect ...'Darren Sharper is making waves'.

He's annoid at the penalty's. It seems to me as if he's almost 'in denial' or certainly acting that way. He didn't know much about it.

I'm taking it from that that he doesn't listen to speech's.

It's certainly possible they didn't bother asking Sharper to go hit someone hard.

[Harlan Huckleby]

He doesn't count against the 53 man roster during the 8 week suspension. The Packers don't have to pay him during those 8 weeks. I don't see how this hurts the Packers that much, it gives them a chance to audition another player on the D line.