So What's the Difference? Neal vs Brown Suspensions.

[mission]

There is a lesson here folks: don't dilute your drugs in Texas. Take em straight like a man.

Someone should sell a drink container with two reservoirs and a common drink spout that only mixes the codeine as it is consumed. That way you won't get sentenced based upon how much soda you bought at the 7-eleven.

Good stuff!

[Fritz]

He did get what he deserved in that he kept testing positive. If he would have stayed clean he would still be playing right now. Or really if he would have just been using a less testable drug like cocaine he might have never gotten caught.

As far as dealing, it's really unclear. What they caught him with that night was mostly soda. They weigh the medium. It's similar to LSD. If you get caught with a tiny vial with one hundred hits you face a lesser charge than one hit on a strawberry. It's stupid sentencing, but that's drug war america. I don't correlate people's sentence to their morality because it's inconsistent. In some states you'll get more time for a little bit of weed than rape.

What I always wonder about in regards to his sentence was the claim that the prosecution made in pre-trial that he was involved in a distribution ring since his rookie year. His case never went to trial, so that claim never had to be backed up with evidence publicly. When it first came out I figured that they were posturing to force him into a plea, but as time has gone on I think he loses the benefit of the doubt.

My totally unfounded speculation is that when he signed his rookie contract he got a 20,000 bonus or whatever sixth rounders get and invested that with people back home who were distributing. That was probably the first time he had enough money to make bulk buys. Takes money to make money, so they kept it up and gave him his cut. Then after he got arrested the NFL sent an investigator down who talked to someone in the DA's office or drug unit who dished a bunch of evidence around him being a money man. Then they suspend him indefinitely, but they can't say publicly that they've got this information that may be part of an ongoing investigation and may not even be legal for them to possess. Long story short the league office decided that there is no way in hell that any NFL player is going to hit the headlines as a drug kingpin.

It's also possible that he tested positive and then as he was going through the appeals process he tested positive one or more times and got arrested. At that point the league said "fuck off, you're stupid and you're gonna end up fuckin' with our money, bye."

If you are correct, then basically the NFL is punishing Jolly for attempting to become an entrepreneur who was advocating for his own product by consuming it. That's like punishing a car dealer for driving the vehicle he's selling. It's goddamn unAmerican to punish young entrepreneurs in this country.

[Smeefers]

Alright, I did some more reading. I tried to find this "They count all the liquid in the container as codine" portion of the law and couldn't. No web searches brought it up and the only thing I got was an unsourced comment in the "Outside the Lines - Johnny Jolly" thread.

The only place I found anything that could be read that way was in the definitions in the Texas Law: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.u...htm/hs.481.htm

(50) "Abuse unit" means: (A) except as provided by Paragraph (B): (i) a single unit on or in any adulterant, dilutant, or similar carrier medium, including marked or perforated blotter paper, a tablet, gelatin wafer, sugar cube, or stamp, or other medium that contains any amount of a controlled substance listed in Penalty Group 1-A, if the unit is commonly used in abuse of that substance; or(ii) each quarter-inch square section of paper, if the adulterant, dilutant, or carrier medium is paper not marked or perforated into individual abuse units; or(B) if the controlled substance is in liquid form, 40 micrograms of the controlled substance including any adulterant or dilutant.

That only talks about the "abuse unit" not about the quantity of the actual drug he was caught with. To my knowledge, Jolly was arrested earlier, the charges were dropped while they waited on equipment specifically designed to measure Codiene and then was recharged : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Jolly

On July 8, 2008, Houston police arrested Jolly for possession of at least 200 grams of codeine, a second-degree felony. He appeared at court on July 22. He became the first Packer since 2000 to stand trial on a felony charge. Charges against Jolly were dismissed in a Texas court on July 16, but were refiled shortly after on December 2009. The dismissal stemmed from police awaiting new equipment that measures codeine amounts.[1]

I feel I've done enough research.

[Smeefers]

And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Big woop, not the first time. But please, don't just say something, source something so I can confirm it. He's still a degenerate piece of shit who got what he deserved.

[woodbuck27]

And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Big woop, not the first time. But please, don't just say something, source something so I can confirm it. He's still a degenerate piece of shit who got what he deserved.

My interpretation of this as a bottom line is that... 'in fact' ... your NOT wrong as it seems very obvious; given all the facts, that Johnny Jolly will NOT ever wear a Green Bay Packers 'game jersey' again.

[MadScientist]

At the risk of turning this thread back on topic, it looks like the difference is that Neal got his prescription from a non-NFL doc this past year, but the other adderall guy had a prescription coming into the league, and just continued it. Still, Neal is going to try a second appeal.

http://packersnews.greenbaypressgaze...text|FRONTPAGE

[KYPack]

Wait...since when does a guy named "Fujita" get classified as a white boy?

I'm so confused about all this race stuff!

Scott is a White guy.

He was adopted by Japanese American (Hawaiian, I believe) parents.

Not to open the racial floodgates, er anything.

My name is KYpack and I took 27,000 Tylenol 3's before composing this post.

[Fritz]

Well, I think if you're first name is "Scott" you're already automatically white, anyway.

[sharpe1027]

At the risk of turning this thread back on topic, it looks like the difference is that Neal got his prescription from a non-NFL doc this past year, but the other adderall guy had a prescription coming into the league, and just continued it. Still, Neal is going to try a second appeal.

http://packersnews.greenbaypressgaze...text|FRONTPAGE

How dare you!

I can see that as being a relevant distinction.

[Fritz]

Maybe they'll reduce the suspension.

[smuggler]

If he has a prescription, he should take it to the courts.

[th87]

And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Big woop, not the first time. But please, don't just say something, source something so I can confirm it. He's still a degenerate piece of shit who got what he deserved.

In each instance, they found him with ONE bottle of Purple Drank. Not the absurd 27,000 tablets you imagined. He's an addict, nothing more.

And so you labeling addicts as "degenerate pieces of shit" says more about you.

[Smeefers]

Then why was he charged with intent to distribute? Please, please please please cite something, anything. I can't find a damn thing out there to collaborate what you're saying. I label all dealers as degenerate pieces of shit. And so, you having a problem with that label says more about you.

I didn't say he had 27k tabs, that was a comparisson so that you could visualize how much he was carrying.

[th87]

Then why was he charged with intent to distribute? Please, please please please cite something, anything. I can't find a damn thing out there to collaborate what you're saying. I label all dealers as degenerate pieces of shit. And so, you having a problem with that label says more about you.

I didn't say he had 27k tabs, that was a comparisson so that you could visualize how much he was carrying.

Sigh. I see you don't let things like facts get in the way of your judgments.

1. http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/51061362.html

Jolly, 26, was charged with possession of a controlled substance on July 8, 2008, after police in his hometown of Houston stopped the car Jolly was driving in the parking lot of a nightclub.

The case had been set for jury selection Friday, with testimony beginning Monday in the 262nd District Court, before prosecutors decided to dismiss the charge on Thursday. They said they wanted to wait until technicians in the Houston Police Department's Crime Lab were trained and accredited on a piece of equipment that measures the level of codeine or other opiates in a liquid.

On the night of the arrest, according to the probable cause affidavit, police found a Dr Pepper bottle in the driver side cup holder of the center console next to two Styrofoam cups containing soda and ice. The officers said the cups and the bottle emitted the strong odor of codeine.

Jolly was charged with possession of a controlled substance, penalty group 4 (200-400 grams), a second-degree felony.

2. http://www.chron.com/default/article...ug-2199555.php

Suspended Green Bay Packers defensive end Johnny Jolly was arrested and charged on Saturday with possessing drugs and tampering with evidence, court records show.

This is the fourth drug possession charge against Jolly, 28, who has been serving an indefinite NFL suspension after a similar charge was dismissed in April.

Jolly was charged with possession of a narcotic compound containing codeine and other substances, a felony. He was also charged with a felony of concealing codeine while he was being investigated on Saturday. He was in the Harris County Jail on Sunday, according to court records.

No intent to distribute. Possession. Just possession. Stated over and over. Of a liquid containing codeine.

And in the spirit of the back and forth, you calling someone a dealer without sound evidence says more about you.

[smuggler]

Repped up for posting masterstroke.