Giants Review: Start With Rodgers

[Pugger]

27 TDs 6 picks and sacked 32 times...yup average QB this year...are you stoned? Check the carbonminoxide detector in your mom's basement because those are damn good stats.

No, he's always hated Rodgers.

[Patler]

27 TDs 6 picks and sacked 32 times...yup average QB this year...are you stoned? Check the carbonminoxide detector in your mom's basement because those are damn good stats.

Ya, but if you take away the "one great, MVP-ish game" he played this year, it's a paltry 21 TDs and 6 picks. Pretty pedestrian. Just "average or below average"!


Ron Wolf used to say the Packers and their fans were spoiled by watching Brett Favre. That they didn't appreciate what many other teams go through with QB play. I think that may be even more true for Rodgers. For 20 years we have expected our QBs to make plays every week that other teams only see occasionally. For the most part, our QBs have done it. A few other teams have been as lucky as GB, and it looks like the Colts may get back-to-back QBs lake the 49'ers before and the Packers now, but very few teams are as lucky to get just one who has a lengthy career at that level.

[Guiness]

Ya, but if you take away the "one great, MVP-ish game" he played this year, it's a paltry 21 TDs and 6 picks. Pretty pedestrian. Just "average or below average"!


Ron Wolf used to say the Packers and their fans were spoiled by watching Brett Favre. That they didn't appreciate what many other teams go through with QB play. I think that may be even more true for Rodgers. For 20 years we have expected our QBs to make plays every week that other teams only see occasionally. For the most part, our QBs have done it. A few other teams have been as lucky as GB, and it looks like the Colts may get back-to-back QBs lake the 49'ers before and the Packers now, but very few teams are as lucky to get just one who has a lengthy career at that level.

Indeed. Anyone watching the Panthers/Eagles game last night would appreciate that in spades. How many QB rating points is Rodgers above the NFL average this year? ESPN lists 34 starting QBs, Fitzpatrick is #17 with an 84.9 rating. Rodgers is at 105.6 so far this year - fully 20 points above that.

Oh gawd, I just realized I'm feeding the troll. Oh well, I'm not going to delete it, someone else might be interested. Other interesting things from the list - Alex Smith, seemingly the 'soon to be former starting 49ers QB' is #5 on the list with a 100+ rating. I know he's Capt Check down with the lowest yard/game in the top 10 (by 50) but he is tied for the 2nd highest of the top ten for yd/att, and has the highest completion %age with 70. Cam has the highest yd/att, but is rated down at #23. Two teams have 2 starters listed - Arizona is the obvious one, but Tennesee is the other, I think more from indecision than anything else. I expect Philly and KC will be joining that list, but it looks like Pittsburgh may not. Rodgers has the highest number of sacks.

[woodbuck27]

I don't disagree with the gist of their article, but they always present their arguments in such a "the sky is falling" manner that it really turns me off. Their descriptions of individuals, both players and coaches are generally demeaning, which I think is unnecessary. If you can sift through their pettiness, they sometimes make good points, but I find their presentation to be borderline unprofessional, but unfortunately quite common today.

Holy cow ! Their sports writers and analysts.

Since when are sports writers and analysts diplomatic? Does sports writing have to be diplomatic to check in as professional? It's NOT the case in Canada, where their writing is often downright vitriolic or scathingly and bitterly sarcastic

Unprofessional or mere style? Then in Canada you get to read this sort of analysis and laugh your tits off. This is a fun read:

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/11/23/nfl-picks-week-12-occasionally-funny-but-never-sanchez-funny/

[Tony Oday]

Maybe we should trade AR for Ponder Straight up!

[woodbuck27]

Indeed. Anyone watching the Panthers/Eagles game last night would appreciate that in spades. How many QB rating points is Rodgers above the NFL average this year? ESPN lists 34 starting QBs, Fitzpatrick is #17 with an 84.9 rating. Rodgers is at 105.6 so far this year - fully 20 points above that.

Oh gawd, I just realized I'm feeding the troll. Oh well, I'm not going to delete it, someone else might be interested. Other interesting things from the list - Alex Smith, seemingly the 'soon to be former starting 49ers QB' is #5 on the list with a 100+ rating. I know he's Capt Check down with the lowest yard/game in the top 10 (by 50) but he is tied for the 2nd highest of the top ten for yd/att, and has the highest completion %age with 70. Cam has the highest yd/att, but is rated down at #23. Two teams have 2 starters listed - Arizona is the obvious one, but Tennesee is the other, I think more from indecision than anything else. I expect Philly and KC will be joining that list, but it looks like Pittsburgh may not. Rodgers has the highest number of sacks.

I know what you mean Guiness but our teams OL and offense has allowed the highest number of QB sacks (37) with five more Vs the GIANTS this week.

Watching that game last night I was impressed with the solid potential we deserve to appreciate as NFL fans in Cam Newton with a QB Rating of 125 Vs the Eagles.

As Packer fans we are certainly spoiled, for the better part now, over two decades.

Aaron Rodgers had a bad game on a bad team this past week Vs a team that ... 'was just prepared' to... 'just win' Vs the Packers. I'm just now wondering if Tom Brady would have fared any better, as our QB, under the same conditions in that matchup Vs the GIANTS? Take away any thoughts of the GIANTS having our number, of late in big games. Would Tom Brady have won that game for us? His QB rating last week was an exceptional and weeks best 139.4 Vs the NY Jets.

If you check below you'll find at least six (6) other top sixteen QB's that suffered a sub par week Vs and considering their overall seasonal QB Rating.

QB Rating this season to date:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/bycategory?cat=Passing&conference=NFL&year=season_2012&timeframe=ToDate&sort=626&old_category=Passing

QB rating this week:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/bycategory?cat=Passing&conference=NFL&year=season_2012&timeframe=Week12&qualified=1&sort=49&old_category=Passing

GO PACKERS !

[denverYooper]

Indeed. Anyone watching the Panthers/Eagles game last night would appreciate that in spades. How many QB rating points is Rodgers above the NFL average this year? ESPN lists 34 starting QBs, Fitzpatrick is #17 with an 84.9 rating. Rodgers is at 105.6 so far this year - fully 20 points above that.

Oh gawd, I just realized I'm feeding the troll. Oh well, I'm not going to delete it, someone else might be interested. Other interesting things from the list - Alex Smith, seemingly the 'soon to be former starting 49ers QB' is #5 on the list with a 100+ rating. I know he's Capt Check down with the lowest yard/game in the top 10 (by 50) but he is tied for the 2nd highest of the top ten for yd/att, and has the highest completion %age with 70. Cam has the highest yd/att, but is rated down at #23. Two teams have 2 starters listed - Arizona is the obvious one, but Tennesee is the other, I think more from indecision than anything else. I expect Philly and KC will be joining that list, but it looks like Pittsburgh may not. Rodgers has the highest number of sacks.

I don't have the numbers on me atm but I think Rodgers is something like 10th in sacks per dropback though. Still not great, but not quite so bad as the unscaled total.

[Guiness]

Holy cow ! Their sports writers and analysts.

Since when are sports writers and analysts diplomatic? Does sports writing have to be diplomatic to check in as proffesional? It's NOT the case in Canada, where their writing is often downright vitriolic or scathingly and bitterly sarcastic

Unprofessional or mere style? Then in Canada you get to read this sort of analysis and laugh your tits off. This is a fun read:

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/11/23/n...sanchez-funny/

Damn, that is funny. Onion quality funny. Love this part. Old hat re-hashed, but well done.

Anyone who follows college sports is weary of the incessant realignment as schools flit about among conferences. But maybe that’s the solution for the woeful Chiefs – maybe it’s time to pick up the phone and see if there’s any room left in the Big Ten. Playing against Indiana, Minnesota and Maryland, this K.C. squad could easily go 6-6 and, fingers crossed, land a sweet, sweet invitation to the Meineke Car Care Bowl. Don’t worry, Romeo Crennel: It’s just like the Super Bowl, but with more mufflers.

[woodbuck27]

Damn, that is funny. Onion quality funny. Love this part. Old hat re-hashed, but well done.

I loved this part:

Feschuk: Interesting stuff, Prof. Numbers – but if ever you want evidence of the utter uselessness of football statistics, consider this: Mark Sanchez was 26-of-36 for 301 yards and a 94.8 quarterback rating in his team’s 49-19 loss to New England. He was also 1-of-1 in his attempts to turn the wrong way on a handoff and run directly into the ass of his lineman, fumbling the ball in the most pathetic and comic way possible. Afterward (and I am not making this up), Sanchez tried to explain what went wrong: “I was,” he said, “thinking of a different play in my head.”

I was scratching my head and in a total conundrum over trying to establish my Pro Pickem picks on Saturday night, when I stumbled upon this LINK. When I began to read it I realized the fun part of being an NFL fan. In parts it's hilarious.

[Rutnstrut]

How is it that stating the facts about Rodgers makes it hating on him. He holds the ball to long, is more worried about stats than winning, and too worried about getting hurt. It's amazing some of you can breath with your nose buried so far up AR's ass.

[Joemailman]

How is it that stating the facts about Rodgers makes it hating on him. He holds the ball to long, is more worried about stats than winning, and too worried about getting hurt. It's amazing some of you can breath with your nose buried so far up AR's ass.

Maybe it's just me, but those sound more like opinions than facts. You're entitled to your own opinions of course, but that doesn't make them facts.

I would argue that stating that Rodgers is more worried about stats than winning amounts to hating. But the fact is, that's just my opinion.

[pbmax]

It also intrigues me how their evaluations of those on IR, out for the game, or retired become so glowing compared to the poor slobs trying to fill in for them. When those same now unavailable players were the ones on the field, they never found as many good things to say about them.

Their approach never changes, and for that reason I find their articles uninteresting. I feel like I know what they will write before the article appears.

I see some of what you do, but more often I find that they are willing to look past the superficial reasons for play breakdowns and assign blame based on scheme and assignment.

Its tough to be consistent as the circumstances change week to week, and I think their up and down opinions, seemingly held hard and fast, are partly a result of drawing a conclusion based on a limited window.

Essentially, I find them a good counterfactual to my viewing of the game and the Game Day thread.

[pbmax]

I agree 100%. He seems to get a free pass on critique, or the usual missing Jennings bullshit excuse. What a croc. He has 3 other world class recievers but somehow this would all change with Jennings in the game.

He has three other world class receivers? You mean the guys who we (the Board) have all tried to trade in the last two years (minus Cobb)? The group that doesn't have a market value contract among them? People love to talk about Favre making his receivers better. How many people were beating a path to Nelson or Jones' door when they got the last contract?

Rodgers has come a long way from the skittish pocket QB he was in 2008 and part of 09. But he is not Favre or Roethlisberger in a dirty pocket. He pulls down faster and looks to escape. And versus the Giants, the D used a DT to spy on him escaping up the middle.

I think this is largely a wise choice by the QB. By no means do I get the sense he is unwilling to stand in there enough to be effective, but I don't think he is as big or durable as Favre or Big Ben. He is not the same size of Ben, Brady or Manning. They need to give him a cleaner pocket and he will be magnificent again. Even Luck, with his size, could shrug Matthews off to stay in the pocket and throw.

I think, like the fabled Cowboys adjustment in 09, McCarthy is going to have to change up the plan and give him more shorter routes until the O line gets its head out of hindquarters. And Cobb (or Jennings when back) has to stop blowing hot read option routes on blitzes.

But keep some perspective if you think I am calling Rodgers lacking toughness in some way. The Giants used the same techniques to clamp down on Favre and force him to throw quick. And they have beaten Brady 3 of the last 4 games.

[OS PA]

Maybe we should trade AR for Ponder Straight up!

I was thinking about trading AR for Jake Long or Joe Thomas. We'd fix the lack of an OT and get rid of our awful quarterback.

[George Cumby]

I was thinking about trading AR for Jake Long or Joe Thomas. We'd fix the lack of an OT and get rid of our awful quarterback.

He is a bum, isn't he? (I get your sarcasm, btw)

Let's take a look at his career stats, shall we?

Completion percentage: 65.5%
Yards: 20,000+
TD: 160
INT: 45
QBR (career): 104.4

(Source: Pro-Football-Reference)

Get rid of the loser!