B.J. Sander cut

[Astonishment]

I just found that sandersbase salary this year was $425,000. Assuming the same amount of increase his 2007 salary would have been $545,000 for a total cap hit of $690,906 (his signing bonus appears to be evening spead through the contract). So cutting him saves $545,000 in cap next year.

As a side note the Packers have $7,516,376 in dead money this year that should be added next year to our cap space (it doesn't appear that any of that money will be still on the books next year). Also right now we have $8,138,200 available cap room.

[jack's smirking revenge]

This doesn't mean Ryan has made the team. This means they are giving Ryan and Rayner more opportunities to show they belong on the team. You can be sure that if either struggles, the Packers will be looking at any decent veteran that gets cut.

Yes but this finally makes it offical, In the 2004 draft the Packers led by Mike Sherman had the worst 3rd round in the history of the NFL draft. Three players selected, and three players cut, all in less than 3 seasons with the Green Bay Packers, and not to mention the draft picks wasted to pick up these players.. Way to go Mike!!!

I was just about to make that comment Nutz, but, as always, you beat me....errr...beat me to it.

tyler

[mraynrand]

I mentioned something to this effect on the other punting thread. My theory from early last year has been that TT has been purging Shermy picks just as fast as he possibly can.

Your comment is just as ludicrous on this thread. Who would you have kept???

Do you really think Thompson is dumb enough to cut a good player just because Sherman drafted him? Utterly ridiculous.

See if you can follow this logic, Scott:

Sherman was a relatively inexperienced GM.
His right hand man died of an MI after just one season
He makes some pretty poor draft choices as GM in years 2 and 3
Enter in new GM
New GM notices that picks from last two seasons are pretty poor.
New GM decides to get rid of picks from last two seasons because they are pretty poor
New GM cannot get rid of all picks right away because he must replace them with warm bodies, preferable, better bodies
Virtually every chance the new GM has to replace Sherman's picks with different personel, he has done so.

In summary, Sherman's last two drafts were filled with poor picks, therefore, TT has been getting rid of them as fast as possible. This statement makes ABSOLUTELY NO CLAIM that any of the personnel should have been retained. Did you not notice this? Perhaps some could argue that Javon Walker could have been kept, seeing as he was a Pro Bowler and cost the Packers a low #1 and #2 pick, but Walker was pretty intent on leaving wasn't he? I guess I just don't understand where anything I've written is ludicrous, but I'm sure you'll tell me. Perhaps you just assumed too much.

[BallHawk]

Glad to see him out of here. If Ryan can get his hangtime up, than he can defintely be a succesful punter in the NFL.

[jack's smirking revenge]

It still irks me that Charmin burned a 3rd round pick ON A PUNTER!!!

Oh the horror.

tyler

[mraynrand]

It still irks me that Charmin burned a 3rd round pick ON A PUNTER!!!

Oh the horror.

tyler

I agree. I felt the same way when Ron Wolf blew a third round pick on a place kicker - and Conway didn't even make the team.

[Partial]

It still irks me that Charmin burned a 3rd round pick ON A PUNTER!!!

Oh the horror.

tyler

I agree. I felt the same way when Ron Wolf blew a third round pick on a place kicker - and Conway didn't even make the team.

atleast longwell emerged from that debacle

[mraynrand]

It still irks me that Charmin burned a 3rd round pick ON A PUNTER!!!

Oh the horror.

tyler

I agree. I felt the same way when Ron Wolf blew a third round pick on a place kicker - and Conway didn't even make the team.

atleast longwell emerged from that debacle

Which showed that Wolf was a better wheeler and dealer as GM than as a draft guy (he was a tremendous dealer!! iT's weird - almost like he got better at judging a guy if he was wearing a pro uniform). Wolf grew up in the football era where more deals were made. In fact, I recall him lamenting that the ability to make trades had dimished with the way contrats are structured.

[AtlPackFan]

This doesn't mean Ryan has made the team. This means they are giving Ryan and Rayner more opportunities to show they belong on the team. You can be sure that if either struggles, the Packers will be looking at any decent veteran that gets cut.

I agree. It's more about BJ is not the answer than Ryan is.

[Scott Campbell]

I guess I just don't understand where anything I've written is ludicrous, but I'm sure you'll tell me. Perhaps you just assumed too much.

This is what I based my assumption on. Doesn't seem like that far of a stretch to me.

[If nothing else, I should have guessed that Ryan would be kept, IF FOR NO OTHER REASON, the fact that TT has been getting rid of Shermy guys as fast as he possibly can.

There's no mention of the players talent, or lack therof - only the reference to being Shermy guys.

[BooHoo]

This doesn't mean Ryan has made the team. This means they are giving Ryan and Rayner more opportunities to show they belong on the team. You can be sure that if either struggles, the Packers will be looking at any decent veteran that gets cut.

I agree. It's more about BJ is not the answer than Ryan is.

Appears to be the case. BJ just didn't work out. And we spent a third round pick on a punter that we cut.

[Mazzin]

I saw that comming, he was a wasted pick in my opinion along with Donels big ol' ass! Good for T.T. As many of you may or may not remember I was hating TT for a while, but I'm starting to like his old ass! Jon Ryan may not have the best get off time, but he has one monster fucking leg, you can't teach that shit! Way to go TT

GO PACK GO!

[Scott Campbell]

See if you can follow this logic, Scott:

Sherman was a relatively inexperienced GM.
His right hand man died of an MI after just one season
He makes some pretty poor draft choices as GM in years 2 and 3
Enter in new GM
New GM notices that picks from last two seasons are pretty poor.
New GM decides to get rid of picks from last two seasons because they are pretty poor
New GM cannot get rid of all picks right away because he must replace them with warm bodies, preferable, better bodies
Virtually every chance the new GM has to replace Sherman's picks with different personel, he has done so.

Ok you asked, so I'll see if I can play along with your "logic".

1) "Sherman was a relatively inexperienced GM."

Relatively inexperienced????? He had zero nada zilch experience - roughly the same amount as Tank. Flawed logic.

2) "His right hand man died of an MI after just one season"

And I nearly died of embarrassment when we traded up for BJ. So what. Hartley's heart attack (no matter how tragic) is no excuse for Sherman's well documented blunders. Sherman never brought it up as an excuse, and neither should you. Flawed logic.

3) "He makes some pretty poor draft choices as GM in years 2 and 3"

Pretty poor???? And Ken Lay made some pretty poor moves running Enron. Flawed logic.

4) "Enter in new GM"

Mercifully. And Sherman didn't just magically dissappear - he was stripped of his duties. Replaced. Re-assigned. And these things happened because he was incompetent.

5) "New GM notices that picks from last two seasons are pretty poor."

Tibetan Monks knew that Sherman's picks sucked. You certainly don't need to be GM material to see that. Flawed logic.

6) "New GM decides to get rid of picks from last two seasons because they are pretty poor"

Not true. There are still some on the team, and not every one of them sucked. Flawed logic.

7) "New GM cannot get rid of all picks right away because he must replace them with warm bodies, preferable, better bodies"

The new GM got rid of his own pick Bragg last year too. And that was even before he was done with your mythical Sherman housecleaning. Every GM wants better players. And there quickly comes a point where draft pedigree makes no difference in the decision. Flawed logic.

8) "Virtually every chance the new GM has to replace Sherman's picks with different personel, he has done so."

Thompson has only replaced players that sucked, as would any competent GM. It doesn't seem to me that the man who drafted them ever entered into the equation - unless you're into crazy consipiracy theories. Or unless your like GD, a confirmed Shermy apologist. Flawed logic.

Or am I assuming too much?

[mraynrand]

[quote="Scott Campbell"]

I guess I just don't understand where anything I've written is ludicrous, but I'm sure you'll tell me. Perhaps you just assumed too much.

This is what I based my assumption on. Doesn't seem like that far of a stretch to me.

[If nothing else, I should have guessed that Ryan would be kept, IF FOR NO OTHER REASON, the fact that TT has been getting rid of Shermy guys as fast as he possibly can.

I answered this in the other thread. You made the assumption, and no matter how little a stretch you think it is, you're simply wrong. How hard is it to acknowledge that TT may have a higher opinion of his own picks (and those of his mentor Ron Wolf) than those of a three year neophyte, Mike Sherman, that have a consistent pattern of sucking?

[Packnut]

Free Pass

I know he's done a lot of good but I'm not giving the boss a free pass on this one. He's the one who made Sherman GM and he's gotta be held accountable for that BLUNDER just as Sherman is accountable for taking a punter who SUCKED with our 3rd pick!