Your 2013 Green Bay Packers

[3irty1]

I agree that either Tyler Eifert or Barrett Jones are strong possibilities this year for the Packers. Personally I'd rather see Jones.

I strongly disagree with Monte Ball's prospects but agree this is the position that the packers have the most room for improvement. I hate the idea of counting on Harris to still be the hot hand come September.

I also disagree that we'd see a smith/bishop duo should AJ Hawk leave town. Hawk plays a different position than those two and Smith doesn't seem well suited as a replacement except maybe on passing downs. In this system Hawk is a fullback of the defense type player, I'm thinking Manning or Walden is the best system fit to take those duties.

[woodbuck27]

That was actually an insightful writeup and you have to go and alienate the guy. Ingrate.

Minor correction: Worthy's injury is now being described as just a severe bruise and nothing that a month off won't cure. If we heard that during the season we would be right to be skeptical, but it's coming from the horse's mouth and there is no reason to conceal anything at this point.

Disagreement: Monte Ball is the product of a college offensive line that just might be better than the one in GB, at least at run blocking. And while I cannot see McThompson drafting any sort of RB in the first round, it is a fact that every year TT has broken one of his drafting tendencies, so who knows. My bet is that he takes the C from Alabama if he is still there.

" That was actually an insightful writeup and you have to go and alienate the guy. Ingrate." hoosier

I applaud you for stepping up and slamming that poster for a clear insult.
It's 'prick-immature ' posts like that, that harm Packerrats and keep new posters away.

There is another way that seems to work here.

It's often prudent to ignore ..... ignorance.

[woodbuck27]

I want TT to draft somebody who is nasty tough, and if that is on the OL I'm fine with that.

I think many of us overestimated this roster this year; we have more holes than can be filled via the draft.


Another year to trade down a few times to get several 2nd/3rd round guys unless a star falls.

I think Wist makes a lot of good points

Wist is certainly solid. It's often difficult to see 'the TRUTH'.

[woodbuck27]

DuJuan Harris will be the Packers' feature back in 2013. He will be the Packers' version of Maurice Jones-Drew. Bring back Benson to back up Harris. Turn Green into a bona fide 3rd down back. Quit playing Kuhn on third downs; the guy doesn't add anything to the passing game. Plus, what's the point of play Kuhn on 3rd downs when teams rarely blitz the Packers anymore?

Say no to Monte Ball. The guy is slower than Jerry Ball.

I say, in the first round, draft hot shot inside linebacker. Either trade up to draft that Notre Dame guy or stay put and draft another Nick Barnett (Nico Johnson?). In round 2 (assuming that Thompson doesn't trade up), draft a fast, hot shot, saftey. Even if the saftey is not hot shot, draft him anyway if he's extremely fast. Need a fast saftey to counter them new breed of running qbs.

Acquire Tim Tebow. Tebow would serve as a serviceable backup and help prepare the defense against them new breed of running qbs.

RE: Tim Tebow

** " help prepare the defense against them new breed of running qbs"


Hi.

I'm just smiling at your suggestion for TT to sign Tim Tebow as our backup QB ... but ** this part **:

Will Tim Tebow be :

A) a coach

B) a tackling dummy

C) both

[pbmax]

Given that is what Capers had/has to work with, he needed/needs to use more 4 down linemen on passing downs, Rotate Raji and Pickett on the nose and Worthy and Neal at DE. Going to 2 DL and a nickle as often as he could only served to make an undersized, underpowered defensive front even more underpowered. You can get away with that against Jacksonville and Tennessee, but good offenses - power offenses are going to push you right off the field.

Question: what does the front food look like in this pass D sub package on the front line? Is Matthews a stand up DE? And who are the one's for the other D line slots for pass rush?

[Pugger]

Grant had 312 carries in 2008 and 282 in 2009. It's kind of hard to do that when guys keep getting hurt. Packers had 5 different guys start at RB this year, and it was all due to injuries, not performance or offensive philosophy.

But I'm sure you will agree that MM abandoned the running game in the game last Saturday night. Harris was getting some decent yardage against that defense but for some reason he didn't touch the ball for a while in the second half. MM often just pays lip service to running the ball and I drives us fans crazy at times.

[Deputy Nutz]

Smith = Harris. Shows you what a merry go around the Packers backfield is.

Monte Ball is a much better runner in 2012 than what he was in 2011. His offensive line wasn't as good, but his ability to break tackles and keep his balance in the open field was almost 100% better. He is receiving threat out of the backfield, decent at blitz pick up, and can run through tacklers. He isn't going to be a burner, but few are. Again he runs a sub 4.5 he will go some where in the second round, if it is above a 4.5 I expect him to go in round 3

[woodbuck27]

Let's look at next year before the draft:

OL: Newhouse, Lang, EDS, Sitton, Barclay, Sherrod, Bulaga, Van Rotten
WR: Cobb, Jones, Nelson. Ross, Boykins
TE: Crabtree, Finley, Williams, Taylor, Quarless
QB: Rodgers, Harrell
RB: Starks, Green, Harris, Kuhn (Benson)
DL: Pickett, Raji, Wilson, Neal, Worthy, Daniels
LB: Mathews, Perry, Walden, Zombo, Moses, Hawk, Jones, Bishop, Manning, DJ Smith
CB: Shields, Williams, House, Hayward, Bush
S: Burnett, Woodson, Jennings, McMillan
K/P/ST: Crosby, Goode, Mastay

You want 'a Super Bowl caliber roster' ! Here's what I see today:

OUR OFFENSE:

OL: Lang, EDS (needs time to evaluate), Sitton, Barclay see EDS, Bryan Bulaga, Sherrod is still an unknown quality. Will he ever be ready?

This isn't by any means a Super Bowl quality OL. Unless this gets right the Packers will not win another Super Bowl.

This weekend pay attention to the OL on the San Francisco 49ers. There's an OL. How did the 49ers OL get there?

WR: Cobb ' a great season', Jones ' impressive improvement', but he received more targets, Nelson and his hammy bothers me. Ross and Boykins have no NFL experience.

We're thining out at the WR position and that's a key issue with an Aaron Rodgers led defense.

TT has to make a tough decision RE: Greg Jennings. He has to evaluate that decision based on Greg Jennings age and availability looking forward Vs the cost.

TE: Finley must return. Please pick 'just' two more 'inexperienced TEs', for our roster.

QB: Rodgers, Where's the Backup QB? Think...how is Aaron Rodgers at this season's end?

RB: Harris is realistically 'a situational RB'. He's a blast to watch play; Benson is worn out; Kuhn is Kuhn ... Starks and Green are at best 3rd string RB's.

OUR DEFENSE:

DL: Pickett is wearing down; Raji needs help and will not suvive long in our system without rest; Wilson should work best in rotation; Neal needs to be ready to play; Worthy and Daniels both need time to evaluate.

LB: Mathews by far our 'only' legitimate Pro Bowl player; Perry needs to develop; Walden is a backup at best; Zombo after showing promise in his first season, he's been injured the last two; Moses shows signs of being a player; Hawk will stay unless TT can use him in a value trade; Jones trys hard, Bishop may never be back right; Manning needs playing time to evaluate; DJ Smith - see Manning

We have overall for the 3-4 system need at this position.

CB: Shields is fast and gritty and gives it; Williams is already playing like Al Harris as he declined. He needs to be more disciplined in terms of confidence; House needs to get back healthy; Hayward was a solid draft pick..a player; Bush ... Is he such a need on ST's?

Overall our secondary plays small and will have trouble handling the best teams WR's.

S: Burnett ... I like him; Woodson has had an excellent run as a Packer; Jennings trys hard; McMillan needs time to learn/develop ...

Overall we certainly need more here ! We need 'a cracker jack' fast hard hitting approach to the safety position. Our 'D' must own the middle of the playing field.

K/P/ST: Crosby needs to stop playing with his own head, Goode is OK, Mastay is improving ... the group gets a passing grade at best

[3irty1]

Howard Green gave em just enough up front to get by; and as someone else stated in another thread, and I've tried to point out to you homers - the stars aligned, Rodgers got smoking hot, we got good matchups against other finesse and flawed teams, and it was enough to get us a championship.

The last 2 years have exposed the defense for what it is though... if you're happy with how the defense played the last two years, then congratulations - you've got the team you want.

"the team looks like the defense, and the defense looks like the inside linebacker." - Bob Diaco, Fighting Irish Defensive Coordinator

Just some food for thought. Think about the defenses you consider physical. SF (Willis & Bowman), Seattle (Bobby Wagner), Pittsburg (Timmons & Foote), Houston(Cushing, James), Chicago (Urlacher), Baltimore(Lewis, Ellerbe)

I don't think one should underestimate the impact of getting Desmond Bishop back, OR the impact of upgrading from a solid but unspectacular Hawk to someone with a little more presence inside. I have to say, "solid but unspectacular" is a pretty good description of our defense this year.

[pbmax]

"the team looks like the defense, and the defense looks like the inside linebacker." - Bob Diaco, Fighting Irish Defensive Coordinator

Just some food for thought. Think about the defenses you consider physical. SF (Willis & Bowman), Seattle (Bobby Wagner), Pittsburg (Timmons & Foote), Houston(Cushing, James), Chicago (Urlacher), Baltimore(Lewis, Ellerbe)

I don't think one should underestimate the impact of getting Desmond Bishop back, OR the impact of upgrading from a solid but unspectacular Hawk to someone with a little more presence inside. I have to say, "solid but unspectacular" is a pretty good description of our defense this year.

But there is a Cullen Jenkins effect there, don't you think? Sure, he's a better ILB than Jones or Smith (though Jones should stay the dime ILB) but he has been on the field for the Super Bowl run AND the collapse in 2011. he's impotent, but not season changing.

[Joemailman]

But there is a Cullen Jenkins effect there, don't you think? Sure, he's a better ILB than Jones or Smith (though Jones should stay the dime ILB) but he has been on the field for the Super Bowl run AND the collapse in 2011. he's impotent, but not season changing.

Do we really need to know about his private life?

[pbmax]

Do we really need to know about his private life?

Fair point. That was supposed to be on deep background.

[3irty1]

But there is a Cullen Jenkins effect there, don't you think? Sure, he's a better ILB than Jones or Smith (though Jones should stay the dime ILB) but he has been on the field for the Super Bowl run AND the collapse in 2011. he's impotent, but not season changing.

Yeah that's true but 2011 was more about giving up 3rd and long and Bishop is more about getting you to third and long. I agree with your sentiments about Jones, he's a better Chillar than Chillar ever was.

[Freak Out]

Can Tebow block? Pick up a blitz?

[Cheesehead Craig]

You left out one critical element: he is clad only in his tighty-whities.

Which are not so tighty and not so whitey