Good news I hadn't thought about - from rookie camp

[3irty1]

I'm saying I don't think 99 yards in QB option runs is a good indicator that your DL is trash. Those guys could win all their one on ones and its not going to stop CK from running around them and frolicking through the secondary. The secondary is responsible for over half of that yardage--they've earned just as much outrage as anybody in the front 7 not named Walden.

[rbaloha1]

I'm saying I don't think 99 yards in QB option runs is a good indicator that your DL is trash. Those guys could win all their one on ones and its not going to stop CK from running around them and frolicking through the secondary. The secondary is responsible for over half of that yardage--they've earned just as much outrage as anybody in the front 7 not named Walden.

Again when the qb can dictate what he wants to do at the line of scrimmage the front is getting dominated.

Walden is not solely to blame -- Raji, Pickett and Matthews failed to win enough physical battles to disrupt the qb and running game. You forgot to mention Gore. Plus CK had time to throw.

Bad performance which the packers addressed in the draft: http://www.packersnews.com/article/2...g-quarterbacks

[3irty1]

TIL that when Rodgers imposes his will on defenses it means our offensive line is dominating.

[rbaloha1]

TIL that when Rodgers imposes his will on defenses it means our offensive line is dominating.

If A-rod is able to go thru his entire progressions then yes. Getting sacked and hit -- no.

[pbmax]

As I mentioned (or thought, don't remember if I posted it) the packers DLine is actually pretty big and physical. They were not shoved around by the 49ers. They played a good game, but were not properly prepared to contain Kapernick. Physically they are easily equal to SF.

Raji got blasted a couple of times by the double team on the read option (there could have been other bad plays, these were the obvious ones). That would hurt if they gave the ball to Gore, but despite what rb seems to believe, CK is NOT reading Raji and he is not the player being attacked. CK is reading Walden on these plays. The double team is designed to do precisely what it did to Raji; seal him inside. Personally, I think Raji got busted trying to penetrate the G-C gap and was wide open for the Guard to knock him off target.

I think Jones was drafted to help the Packers play Raji and Pickett less at DE and more inside. I could be dead wrong, but I would not be surprised to see less Pickett more than we see less Wilson. Raji gets more rest as well.

I suspect that Capers adjustments to CK include a controlled pass rush like they came out to use in the 2nd half to stop scrambling AND alternate adjustments to read option plays. Once the OLBs stopped penetrating and were worried about the run, CK and Gore had time to read them and make good decisions. I will need to rewatch the game to see if read option was a reaction to Packer adjustments OR was just a great play cal versus that Defense. I tend to think the Defense's ability to get out of shape makes either a distinct possibility.

[pbmax]

from http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...l=1#post724389

Superbowl against a supposedly stout Raven D

Gore 19 for 110 and a 5.8 avg
Kapernick 7 for 62 for an 8.9 avg
James 3 for 10 for a 3.3 avg

As a team 29 carries for 182 and a 6.3 average.

Apparently the 49ers kicked the living hell out of a reportedly strong and stout Raven D. I asked this same question multiple times right after the SB but never got an answer.

How will you explain away what is supposedly a stout D that the Packers should be emulating with a D coordinator who is good?

BTW Kapernick was also 16/28 for 282 through the air.

[rbaloha1]

from http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...l=1#post724389

Who won the game?

[pbmax]

Who won the game?

Logical Thinking was clearly the victor over Wishing It Were True and Argument By Authority

[smuggler]

Should have been SF.

[rbaloha1]

Logical Thinking was clearly the victor over Wishing It Were True and Argument By Authority

What else is there to say -- for stat freaks:

Third Down efficiency niners vs. packers 8/13
Fourth Down efficiency niners vs packers 0/0

third down efficiency niners vs ravens 2/9
Fourth Down efficiency niners vs ravens 0/1


Niners success rate vs. packers = 61.5%
Niners success rate vs ravens = 20%

[rbaloha1]

Should have been SF.

In your feeble mind it was.

[rbaloha1]

Logical Thinking was clearly the victor over Wishing It Were True and Argument By Authority

Please do not use logic anywhere in your stuff -- thank you.

[run pMc]

Ahem.
"Thread: Good news I hadn't thought about - from rookie camp"

[3irty1]

On that 56 yard monster you can watch CK read Jones and the FB read Walden to decide whether to block Walden or Jones. Walden was in good position so the FB chipped him then had nobody else to block because Jones bit on the fake. Meanwhile Walden spins around looking for the ball as CK runs past him. Burnett and Woodson also bit on the fake and are out of position. Tramon immediately puts his defender between him and the ball then gets erased by a humiliating 4 second block. The only other guy who had a prayer of flowing to the ball was Hawk who was all over the handoff and ran in to fill a gap that no longer existed by the time he got there because Raji was shoved into it.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000127541/All-22-Colin-Kaepernick-56-yard-TD-run

For this play to work, Walden had to wear his signature cement shoes and lose track of the ball. For this play to work as well as it did, Jones, Woodson, and Burnett had to bite on the fake and Tramon had to play like a giant tampon.

[pbmax]

What else is there to say -- for stat freaks:

Third Down efficiency niners vs. packers 8/13
Fourth Down efficiency niners vs packers 0/0

third down efficiency niners vs ravens 2/9
Fourth Down efficiency niners vs ravens 0/1


Niners success rate vs. packers = 61.5%
Niners success rate vs ravens = 20%

Ah. Success rate. Better choice for analysis. But San Fran got 29 first downs versus Pack, 23 versus Ravens. Close enough that pace of game comes into play as does number of big plays. Not to mention 2 turnovers which the Defensive Line did not commit. Niners had 12 possessions compared to Packers 9. You further weaken the data by limiting it to 3rd down conversions. But still, this is better than "Look the Defense can't stop them and they are running all over the place. Our run Defense is terrible and its all CJ Wilson and Brad Jones' fault."

Of the Niners 8 conversions, 4 were runs, 3 were passes and 1 was a penalty. 1 of the runs was classified as a scramble, meaning it was first an attempted pass. I bet another run was a scramble, but I don't have the video so we will accept the GameBook version.

So 3rd down conversions need to get better to approach Raven D level. 1 QB scramble, 3 runs, 3 pass, 1 penalty. Why focus on run D more than pass? And why Datone Jones and not a pure, big DT like Williams?

And how does third down conversion rate fall on the shoulders of the line rather than entire defense? There were two scoring plays off third down as well. 1 was a pass, 1 was a run. Seems like balanced failure as a unit.