Good news I hadn't thought about - from rookie camp

[3irty1]

I remember two 3rd down scrambles in the same drive.

[Zool]

On that 56 yard monster you can watch CK read Jones and the FB read Walden to decide whether to block Walden or Jones. Walden was in good position so the FB chipped him then had nobody else to block because Jones bit on the fake. Meanwhile Walden spins around looking for the ball as CK runs past him. Burnett and Woodson also bit on the fake and are out of position. Tramon immediately puts his defender between him and the ball then gets erased by a humiliating 4 second block. The only other guy who had a prayer of flowing to the ball was Hawk who was all over the handoff and ran in to fill a gap that no longer existed by the time he got there because Raji was shoved into it.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000127541/All-22-Colin-Kaepernick-56-yard-TD-run

For this play to work, Walden had to wear his signature cement shoes and lose track of the ball. For this play to work as well as it did, Jones, Woodson, and Burnett had to bite on the fake and Tramon had to play like a giant tampon.

Walden, just...geeze. That was a really poorly played game by the entire D. Rarely do I shut a game off early, but I missed the entire 4th quarter of this one. Maybe the weather was too warm.

[rbaloha1]

Ah. Success rate. Better choice for analysis. But San Fran got 29 first downs versus Pack, 23 versus Ravens. Close enough that pace of game comes into play as does number of big plays. Not to mention 2 turnovers which the Defensive Line did not commit. Niners had 12 possessions compared to Packers 9. You further weaken the data by limiting it to 3rd down conversions. But still, this is better than "Look the Defense can't stop them and they are running all over the place. Our run Defense is terrible and its all CJ Wilson and Brad Jones' fault."

Of the Niners 8 conversions, 4 were runs, 3 were passes and 1 was a penalty. 1 of the runs was classified as a scramble, meaning it was first an attempted pass. I bet another run was a scramble, but I don't have the video so we will accept the GameBook version.

So 3rd down conversions need to get better to approach Raven D level. 1 QB scramble, 3 runs, 3 pass, 1 penalty. Why focus on run D more than pass? And why Datone Jones and not a pure, big DT like Williams?

And how does third down conversion rate fall on the shoulders of the line rather than entire defense? There were two scoring plays off third down as well. 1 was a pass, 1 was a run. Seems like a balanced failure as a unit.

A bunch of words does not mean a thing.

Bottom Line: The better front seven made stops at critical times by a wide margin over a subpar front. Please no more avalanche of words -- promise to send you pineapples.

[pbmax]

A bunch of words does not mean a thing.

Bottom Line: The better front seven made stops at critical times by a wide margin over a subpar front. Please no more avalanche of words -- promise to send you pineapples.

Pineapples would be great.

But you still have not made your case that the front seven needs to be replaced with certain body types to make those stops. How about a non-Walden OLB? Or a more experienced Jones (or Bishop)?

Nor have you even made your case that is was the front seven. How about a CB who could regularly make tackles to replace Tramon?

[rbaloha1]

Pineapples would be great.

But you still have not made your case that the front seven needs to be replaced with certain body types to make those stops. How about a non-Walden OLB? Or a more experienced Jones (or Bishop)?

Nor have you even made your case that is was the front seven. How about a CB who could regularly make tackles to replace Tramon?

http://www.packersnews.com/article/2...g-quarterbacks

BTW there is nothing compelling you write that the front seven is not too blame for 579.

On record to replace and cut Tramon Williams. Referenced TW backing down against AP which FOX chronicled.

[rbaloha1]

Pineapples would be great.

But you still have not made your case that the front seven needs to be replaced with certain body types to make those stops. How about a non-Walden OLB? Or a more experienced Jones (or Bishop)?

Nor have you even made your case that is was the front seven. How about a CB who could regularly make tackles to replace Tramon?

Already mentioned Bishop, perry, DJ and replacing Hawk may help against read option and pistol stuff. Boyd and jolly as part of the rotation may also help.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.packersnews.com/interactive/article/20130514/pkr01/130514022

Rob Demovsky's chat: Too early to tell about many players

May 15, 2013 ... 3:19 PM, May. 15, 2013

Rookie camp is over and organized team activities are coming up, so Press-Gazette Media reporter Rob Demovsky hosted 'a live Green Bay Packers chat' at 1 p.m. today >>> CDT Wednesday, May 15, 2013.

Also you may ... read replays of past chats on their chat page.

Read more: http://host.madison.com/sports/football/#ixzz2TPBiTj6y


PACKERS !

[pbmax]

http://www.packersnews.com/article/2...g-quarterbacks

BTW there is nothing compelling you write that the front seven is not too blame for 579.

On record to replace and cut Tramon Williams. Referenced TW backing down against AP which FOX chronicled.

The front seven could use an upgrade. At several positions. But its not as simple as bigger/tougher/stronger players. Its several things at once including:

1. Players to upgrade or replace like Walden, at least one ILB. Jones needs to improve play recognition and false/hesitant steps. Bishop and Hawk together helped to produce some terrible run D and bad pass D on TEs in 2010 and 2011.

2. Pickett and Raji need to stop playing DE. Here I agree completely with wist. Too many snaps, too far out of position. If its a crunch, Pickett is steadier outside the nose than Raji.

3. Diligence in scheme. No more freelancing in the backend OR upfront with the big fellas. See Vikings playoff game for upfront gap discipline. See post Woodson 2012 pass D for no freelance DBs.

4. Decision time for Raji. He haas to play nose and 3 tech in this defense. But can he hold against double teams and be disciplined enough to 2 gap? He has had mixed results since 2010.

[bobblehead]

On that 56 yard monster you can watch CK read Jones and the FB read Walden to decide whether to block Walden or Jones. Walden was in good position so the FB chipped him then had nobody else to block because Jones bit on the fake. Meanwhile Walden spins around looking for the ball as CK runs past him. Burnett and Woodson also bit on the fake and are out of position. Tramon immediately puts his defender between him and the ball then gets erased by a humiliating 4 second block. The only other guy who had a prayer of flowing to the ball was Hawk who was all over the handoff and ran in to fill a gap that no longer existed by the time he got there because Raji was shoved into it.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000127541/All-22-Colin-Kaepernick-56-yard-TD-run

For this play to work, Walden had to wear his signature cement shoes and lose track of the ball. For this play to work as well as it did, Jones, Woodson, and Burnett had to bite on the fake and Tramon had to play like a giant tampon.

I can't be positive, but I would bet that Jones responsibility on that play was to step up and meet Gore. If not, I can't imagine what kind of looping swooping D we run.

[bobblehead]

Pineapples would be great.

But you still have not made your case that the front seven needs to be replaced with certain body types to make those stops. How about a non-Walden OLB? Or a more experienced Jones (or Bishop)?

Nor have you even made your case that is was the front seven. How about a CB who could regularly make tackles to replace Tramon?

pb, you are feeding the animals. Gore had a ton of 2,3,4 yard runs. Officials picked up flags on blatant facemasks. Mainly Kapernick beat the D with his legs and like 2 great passes. All the talk of physicality and BS like that is exactly that. You, me, and most of the board knows what happened in that game cuz we watched it. A select few are looking at stat lines and telling you what the black and white numbers mean. Don't bother, When the pack smashes SF in the mouth on day one trolls will go back under the bridge.

[bobblehead]

http://www.packersnews.com/interacti...kr01/130514022

Rob Demovsky's chat: Too early to tell about many players

May 15, 2013 ... 3:19 PM, May. 15, 2013

Rookie camp is over and organized team activities are coming up, so Press-Gazette Media reporter Rob Demovsky hosted 'a live Green Bay Packers chat' at 1 p.m. today >>> CDT Wednesday, May 15, 2013.

Also you may ... read replays of past chats on their chat page.

Read more: http://host.madison.com/sports/football/#ixzz2TPBiTj6y


PACKERS !

Rob Demovsky:
Ralphy: That's one I struggle with a little bit. I'm not sure how you necessarily quantify it. If it's being able to run the ball when you have to -- like third-and-short -- then you'd say they probably are soft. If it's being able to stop a guy like Adrian Peterson, then yeah, they probably are. I wonder, though, how much, especially defensively, is needing speed up the middle and on the edges. Think about how Kaepernick beat them. He did it with speed, not power

[rbaloha1]

pb, you are feeding the animals. Gore had a ton of 2,3,4 yard runs. Officials picked up flags on blatant facemasks. Mainly Kapernick beat the D with his legs and like 2 great passes. All the talk of physicality and BS like that is exactly that. You, me, and most of the board knows what happened in that game cuz we watched it. A select few are looking at stat lines and telling you what the black and white numbers mean. Don't bother, When the pack smashes SF in the mouth on day one trolls will go back under the bridge.

Dude, others bring up stats to support their cause like you.

You are wrong about the majority -- its only the butt wipers.

You watching the game is like denying a holocaust.

[rbaloha1]

Rob Demovsky:
Ralphy: That's one I struggle with a little bit. I'm not sure how you necessarily quantify it. If it's being able to run the ball when you have to -- like third-and-short -- then you'd say they probably are soft. If it's being able to stop a guy like Adrian Peterson, then yeah, they probably are. I wonder, though, how much, especially defensively, is needing speed up the middle and on the edges. Think about how Kaepernick beat them. He did it with speed, not power

What does this prove -- other sportswriters conclude differently.

Keep reaching for the stars.

[rbaloha1]

pb, you are feeding the animals. Gore had a ton of 2,3,4 yard runs. Officials picked up flags on blatant facemasks. Mainly Kapernick beat the D with his legs and like 2 great passes. All the talk of physicality and BS like that is exactly that. You, me, and most of the board knows what happened in that game cuz we watched it. A select few are looking at stat lines and telling you what the black and white numbers mean. Don't bother, When the pack smashes SF in the mouth on day one trolls will go back under the bridge.

Yea -- I am the troll and posters put on the ignore feature. I see your name hypocrite.

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[George Cumby]

On that 56 yard monster you can watch CK read Jones and the FB read Walden to decide whether to block Walden or Jones. Walden was in good position so the FB chipped him then had nobody else to block because Jones bit on the fake. Meanwhile Walden spins around looking for the ball as CK runs past him. Burnett and Woodson also bit on the fake and are out of position. Tramon immediately puts his defender between him and the ball then gets erased by a humiliating 4 second block. The only other guy who had a prayer of flowing to the ball was Hawk who was all over the handoff and ran in to fill a gap that no longer existed by the time he got there because Raji was shoved into it.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000127541/All-22-Colin-Kaepernick-56-yard-TD-run

For this play to work, Walden had to wear his signature cement shoes and lose track of the ball. For this play to work as well as it did, Jones, Woodson, and Burnett had to bite on the fake and Tramon had to play like a giant tampon.

Watching walden get spun around was so striking that the image is actually seared into my memory. Geez but that guy played dumb as a post.