Bears to cut Carimi?

[Guiness]

Bears could cut Carimi, two years after taking him in Round 1

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/13/bears-could-cut-carimi-two-years-after-taking-him-in-round-1/

Probably just hyperbole, would they really cut a 1st round choice after 2 years, one of which he was injured for?

[Patler]

Bears could cut Carimi, two years after taking him in Round 1

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/13/bears-could-cut-carimi-two-years-after-taking-him-in-round-1/

Probably just hyperbole, would they really cut a 1st round choice after 2 years, one of which he was injured for?

GB could end up doing the same with Sherrod. He could be a victim of numbers.

[Bossman641]

Bears could cut Carimi, two years after taking him in Round 1

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/13/bears-could-cut-carimi-two-years-after-taking-him-in-round-1/

Probably just hyperbole, would they really cut a 1st round choice after 2 years, one of which he was injured for?

Yes. He has been a huge disappointment. They have shifted him to guard...tall guards are an oddity.

[George Cumby]

Schadenfreude moment. Is it wrong to feel so good?

[Guiness]

GB could end up doing the same with Sherrod. He could be a victim of numbers.

He could, but I really doubt it. He really hasn't played due to injury, and you want to at least give a first round draft choice a chance to see the field, otherwise why would you have drafted him? If he's healthy, he gets a pass this TC, unless he really stinks the joint up.

If he isn't physically ready, I think they still give him another year. The Pack seems to be very patient when it comes to recovering from injuries. Remember Chris Johnson, the CB? He was kept around for 2 years without seeing the field, and he was a 7th round pick.

Who's at that position? Newhouse, Sherrod, Bulaga, Barclay, Bakhtiari, Datko. Ya, that is pretty crowded, and who from that list do you really want to see go? If all are healthy, I really don't know. I think Datko has the toughest road to hoe, but then who? Barclay was a UDFA who got some starts last year - was he ready, or was in purely due to injury?

[MJZiggy]

Schadenfreude moment. Is it wrong to feel so good?

No.

[Patler]

Who's at that position? Newhouse, Sherrod, Bulaga, Barclay, Bakhtiari, Datko. Ya, that is pretty crowded, and who from that list do you really want to see go? If all are healthy, I really don't know. I think Datko has the toughest road to hoe, but then who? Barclay was a UDFA who got some starts last year - was he ready, or was in purely due to injury?

Had Datko not been injured, I wonder which was the better prospect? It seemed both were considered 1st/2nd round types at the end of their Junior years. Looking at the combine #s for Datko and Sherrod:

Advantage Datko
Height - 78/77
20 yard - 2.91/3.01
10 yard - 1.76/1.81
vertical - 29.5/28.0
broad - 100 in./97 in.
20 yard shuttle - 4.54/4.63


Advantage Sherrod
weight - 321/315
40 yard - 5.18/5.19
arm length - 35.38/33.88
3 cone drill - 7.43/7.71

[Guiness]

Had Datko not been injured, I wonder which was the better prospect? It seemed both were considered 1st/2nd round types at the end of their Junior years. Looking at the combine #s for Datko and Sherrod:

Advantage Datko
Height - 78/77
20 yard - 2.91/3.01
10 yard - 1.76/1.81
vertical - 29.5/28.0
broad - 100 in./97 in.
20 yard shuttle - 4.54/4.63


Advantage Sherrod
weight - 321/315
40 yard - 5.18/5.19
arm length - 35.38/33.88
3 cone drill - 7.43/7.71

Sure, based on the numbers it seems to be a push, or even advantage Datko. You well know that's only a piece of the puzzle.

A lot of guys slide in their senior years for a lot of reasons - which usually prove out. My argument was that you give your first rounder ample opportunity to succeed. I just don't know how long the Pack will consider draft status as important, normally I'd say by third year it doesn't matter, but this guy really didn't have a first year, and no second year at all.

[RashanGary]

That's the really intriguing thing about Datko, Guiness. He had shoulder surgery, something very serious for a lineman. His strength was down. The Packers took him in the 7th round, probably very aware that he would not be ready to play in 2012. He was under-drafted.

Sherrod on the other hand, like you said, didn't get a rookie offseason because of the CBA, then went out part-way through his rookie season. It will be 18+ mos away from live football by the time he takes a snap. In hindsight, with the injury he has, I don't think anyone would take Sherrod right now with a 1st round pick. Could you picture the 32nd team in the league trading their first round pick for Sherrod? Would we trade Eddie Lacy?

Datko is probably worth more than a 7th right now and Sherrod probably less than a first. The question is how much in each direction.

I think Patler starting by comparing their jr seasons (the last time you could compare apples to apples) is a very fair starting point. Datko was considered a 1st/2nd round pick going into his sr season. So was Sherrod. They're comparable football players as juniors and comparable athletes at the combine. Datko is healthy. Sherrod is not. We'll see, I guess. I would not be shocked.

[Patler]

Sure, based on the numbers it seems to be a push, or even advantage Datko. You well know that's only a piece of the puzzle.

A lot of guys slide in their senior years for a lot of reasons - which usually prove out. My argument was that you give your first rounder ample opportunity to succeed. I just don't know how long the Pack will consider draft status as important, normally I'd say by third year it doesn't matter, but this guy really didn't have a first year, and no second year at all.

Datko didn't slide his senior year, he was out with an injury. Completely fell off peoples charts because it was uncertain if the shoulder was in fact fixed. I'm surprised that a guy who was on the Outland and Lombardi watch lists, who started at LT for a major program as a freshman and ever since, who dominated as a pass blocker, would fall that far. I'm not sure that Sherrod had the three year credentials that Datko had.

He may never pan out, but hearing that he is and has been healthy for 8 months is intriguing.

[Guiness]

That's the really intriguing thing about Datko, Guiness. He had shoulder surgery, something very serious for a lineman. His strength was down. The Packers took him in the 7th round, probably very aware that he would not be ready to play in 2012. He was under-drafted.

Sherrod on the other hand, like you said, didn't get a rookie offseason because of the CBA, then went out part-way through his rookie season. It will be 18+ mos away from live football by the time he takes a snap. In hindsight, with the injury he has, I don't think anyone would take Sherrod right now with a 1st round pick. Could you picture the 32nd team in the league trading their first round pick for Sherrod? Would we trade Eddie Lacy?

Datko is probably worth more than a 7th right now and Sherrod probably less than a first. The question is how much in each direction.

I think Patler starting by comparing their jr seasons (the last time you could compare apples to apples) is a very fair starting point. Datko was considered a 1st/2nd round pick going into his sr season. So was Sherrod. They're comparable football players as juniors and comparable athletes at the combine. Datko is healthy. Sherrod is not. We'll see, I guess. I would not be shocked.

I wouldn't be shocked either, the table is certainly set.

They might have been comparable as juniors, but were not as seniors. Was it only because of the injury, or was Datko otherwise exposed as not being a top notch prospect in his final year?

Brian Brohm was rated a future first rounder after his junior year, along with Matt Ryan. Only one was, the other was not, and obviously should never have been. Not saying Datko doesn't have first round talent, just pointing out that just because he was once projected that way means little or nothing.

[Guiness]

Datko didn't slide his senior year, he was out with an injury. Completely fell off peoples charts because it was uncertain if the shoulder was in fact fixed. I'm surprised that a guy who was on the Outland and Lombardi watch lists, who started at LT for a major program as a freshman and ever since, who dominated as a pass blocker, would fall that far. I'm not sure that Sherrod had the three year credentials that Datko had.

He may never pan out, but hearing that he is and has been healthy for 8 months is intriguing.

Didn't know that. Knew he had a shoulder injury, and it was bad, but don't know the details.


It must've been questionable if it could be repaired if no one took a flyer on him before the 7th.

[Patler]

Didn't know that. Knew he had a shoulder injury, and it was bad, but don't know the details.


It must've been questionable if it could be repaired if no one took a flyer on him before the 7th.

If I remember correctly, he had first injured the shoulder in HS, and had had a previous surgery or two on it. He said it never felt right since then, but that they had finally identified the problem and the last surgery while in college had really fixed it. He said everything felt normal this time, but that there would be a long gradual rehab to build it back up.

[RashanGary]

Here's one take on Datko coming out.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2012/round/7/pick/34

That, alone, makes him an intriguing prospect. The part I think has people really bringing him up now (more-so than last year) is listening to him talk about his health. The guy doesn't just feel like he's 100% He feels like he's worked hard enough that he has a head-start on most pros.

[Fritz]

That's the really intriguing thing about Datko, Guiness. He had shoulder surgery, something very serious for a lineman. His strength was down. The Packers took him in the 7th round, probably very aware that he would not be ready to play in 2012. He was under-drafted.

Sherrod on the other hand, like you said, didn't get a rookie offseason because of the CBA, then went out part-way through his rookie season. It will be 18+ mos away from live football by the time he takes a snap. In hindsight, with the injury he has, I don't think anyone would take Sherrod right now with a 1st round pick. Could you picture the 32nd team in the league trading their first round pick for Sherrod? Would we trade Eddie Lacy?

Datko is probably worth more than a 7th right now and Sherrod probably less than a first. The question is how much in each direction.

I think Patler starting by comparing their jr seasons (the last time you could compare apples to apples) is a very fair starting point. Datko was considered a 1st/2nd round pick going into his sr season. So was Sherrod. They're comparable football players as juniors and comparable athletes at the combine. Datko is healthy. Sherrod is not. We'll see, I guess. I would not be shocked.

Given that Sherrod had another surgery in, what, January? And given that he wasn't mentioned at all when MM discussed the recent OTA's and rookie camp offensive linemen, I wonder if the thought is to PUP Sherrod like they did last year? It costs them nothing and gives Sherrod more time to recover. The, six weeks in, they could make the call, based on his health and on the health and play of the current linemen.

No skin off the Packers' nose, really, to PUP the guy. Correct?