Camp Reports 2013 or Oh No, That Doesn't Look Good

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To be fair, they dress 7 for games. If you train everybody at one position, you'd have to carry a bunch of OL on the game day roster. I'm guessing most teams cross-train their backup OL at multiple positions. I think what this says is that they don't expect Barclay to win a starting spot, so he needs to be able to play multiple positions as a backup. Newhouse is already cross-trained at LT.

I agree it must be done. McGinn doesn't help though with a once weekly column or piece that intimates that if only they concentrated on one position, things would be better.

The problem is, the writers don't know (or maybe don't care) who is actually competing for what spots. McGinn probably has the best handle on it, but doesn't cover it with an eye to the starting five, depth chart and game day actives. The coverage from certain outlets and Twitter focused on what Newhouse was doing at LT. Which leads fans to wonder what is up with Newhouse. When the answer was mostly, it was time to challenge Bakhtiari with the 1s.

Same with Barclay at RG. They might have needed a body there to get reps when someone else went to their 2nd spot. One thing that would help is a report on who got how many reps. The Packers do much of their conditioning by practicing at a certain tempo. And that means these guys need reps to get into shape.

In the end, I suspect the amount of shuffling is higher on the Packers because the HC seems to make a point of it, but I doubt its half again as much as other teams. Were talking 10-20% of the first two weeks of camp.

The other thing is that this position probably suffers from draft and develop more than any other, which is why both Clifton and Tauscher still had contract years when they were finally forced from the game. Other than ILB, he has not often spent that kind of money with older vets at other spots.

[bobblehead]

+1

I also hate that they draft Tackles and make them into guards/centers. Can we just draft a guard or a center for a change?

First off, the best linemen play Tackle in college. Not too many exceptions. Often they only have a guards skillset at the next level.

Second, OL comes down to winning one on one battles. The only confusing thing about moving around is looking at the D and knowing who that one guy you have to beat is going to be. Footwork can be a minor adjustment from right to left, but not like a DB switching to WR.

Third, as mentioned, sometimes your 6th best lineman is your best backup at 3 positions. If he needs a little help with the mental side of backing up multiples he can lean on the guy next to him a bit. Clifton was notoriously "not too bright" which is why a sharp study like Darren College kept his job next to him as long as he did. Cliffy, however, could beat damn near anyone once he knew who to block.

[Maxie the Taxi]

All this switching around makes it kind of difficult to name a restaurant.

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Packer Report @PackerReport 13m
Just went through my #Packers one-on-one pass rush standings. DL has 45 wins. Jones and Daniels have 22 of them.

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Packer Report @PackerReport 15m
Projected #Packers No. 1 OL of EDS, Sitton, Lang, Bulaga, Newhouse a combined 32-5. Were 20-0 last three practices.

[pittstang5]

First off, the best linemen play Tackle in college. Not too many exceptions. Often they only have a guards skillset at the next level.

Second, OL comes down to winning one on one battles. The only confusing thing about moving around is looking at the D and knowing who that one guy you have to beat is going to be. Footwork can be a minor adjustment from right to left, but not like a DB switching to WR.

Third, as mentioned, sometimes your 6th best lineman is your best backup at 3 positions. If he needs a little help with the mental side of backing up multiples he can lean on the guy next to him a bit. Clifton was notoriously "not too bright" which is why a sharp study like Darren College kept his job next to him as long as he did. Cliffy, however, could beat damn near anyone once he knew who to block.

Thanks for the lesson

[KYPack]

yeah, I was cracking up at the Denny's quote.

Here's the info on "Dueling" Banjo from http://www.packers.com/team/players.html:
32 Banjo, Chris S 5-10 207 23 R Southern Methodist University

On the topic of the G's, they list
Barclay as T/G
EDS as C/G
Lane Taylor as G
Greg Van Roten as G/C
Sitton
Lang

I'd like to echo Noodle's post. I should post more, but who needs to when PB and all you guys are getting out so much great info.

I thought everyone on here was really getting into it when I read so & so "beat Banjo".

Banjo is a type of coverage usually only discussed by coaches, etc. It's a field call for a switch. The outside defender takes the wr that runs an outside route, the inside defender takes the receiver that runs inside route. The call is made to defeat pick and rub routes by the offense.

I didn't realize we had a player named Banjo.

Wonder what they'll do when they call a banjo in the game?

The poor bastard will have to be confused.

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I'd like to echo Noodle's post. I should post more, but who needs to when PB and all you guys are getting out so much great info.

I thought everyone on here was really getting into it when I read so & so "beat Banjo".

Banjo is a type of coverage usually only discussed by coaches, etc. It's a field call for a switch. The outside defender takes the wr that runs an outside route, the inside defender takes the receiver that runs inside route. The call is made to defeat pick and rub routes by the offense.

I didn't realize we had a player named Banjo.

Wonder what they'll do when they call a banjo in the game?

The poor bastard will have to be confused.

Banjo had a tackle last night, but he nearly got overrun in the secondary while making it. And I might be just getting old, or maybe putting the widescreen TV into Zoom mode to make the standard def picture bigger was not a good idea, but the Packers backups all seem taller and faster. Maybe its all the receivers with 10 and 11 jersey numbers.

I have been racking my brain trying to come up with other impressions for more players, but its tough to say the players on the #2 Defense looked a bit lost when

a) They forced one, if not two or three four down stops and the coaches, as per normal practice, reset the down and distance clock and went ahead with the same players.

b) At some point on the second or third drive, a lot of potential #1 players (Bulaga, EDS, Newhouse, every TE but Finley) were squaring off against a number of near-number one guys on defense (Jolly, Jones, Daniels, Perry, McMillan/Jennings, Hyde) and the rest of the 2nd team defense.

For all of the previous rainouts and lightning shows, you really got your money's worth last night even if it was as confusing as hell.

But you can put your money on this for today, Jones and Lacy looked the part in full last night. Franklin can also be a third down back. Bobble's going to have some fun this season. Lacy seems like a really fun, goofy guy in interviews. Franklin and Jones are polished, remind me very much of Vonnie Holliday and Dorsey/Grant in public presence.

[wist43]

Max, I didn't watch the scrimmage - how much 2-whatever, 1-whatever alignments was Capers in??

His MO has usually been to use more base alignments in the preseason - using 3 DL a good amount of the time. Then, once the lights are on, he forgets that he has DL on the roster.

Beware of what you guys think you will be getting with Jones - assuming Capers hasn't had a brain transplant, it is entirely likely that he will negate Jones by constantly playing small and soft. How many times last year did Capers get a sack on 2nd down - now 3rd and 16, and he rushes 3, plays man behind it and a team like Jacksonville converts an easy first down with a little flair pass in the flat?? or he simply lets the TE run free down the middle for an easy pitch and catch at the 12 yard mark, but doesn't even encounter the first defender until he's already at the 1st down marker??

Capers is the problem - I don't see that changing at all. He's been misusing several good players since he's been here - what makes any of you think he'll use Jones to good effect??

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Max, I didn't watch the scrimmage - how much 2-whatever, 1-whatever alignments was Capers in??

His MO has usually been to use more base alignments in the preseason - using 3 DL a good amount of the time. Then, once the lights are on, he forgets that he has DL on the roster.

Beware of what you guys think you will be getting with Jones - assuming Capers hasn't had a brain transplant, it is entirely likely that he will negate Jones by constantly playing small and soft. How many times last year did Capers get a sack on 2nd down - now 3rd and 16, and he rushes 3, plays man behind it and a team like Jacksonville converts an easy first down with a little flair pass in the flat?? or he simply lets the TE run free down the middle for an easy pitch and catch at the 12 yard mark, but doesn't even encounter the first defender until he's already at the 1st down marker??

Capers is the problem - I don't see that changing at all. He's been misusing several good players since he's been here - what makes any of you think he'll use Jones to good effect??

Saw 3 man rush once or twice. Not sure who was at the ends. Normal amount of nickel. The base I saw was Eagle Oakie, but with Raji at RDE next to Matthews and Wilson at LDE with Perry. I think that personnel selection was new.

He did play some off coverage early with Shields in game. But also some press. I think Justin has a point that Shields as a starter outside is not trusted in zone yet. House was off more often.

[Rutnstrut]

Max, I didn't watch the scrimmage - how much 2-whatever, 1-whatever alignments was Capers in??

His MO has usually been to use more base alignments in the preseason - using 3 DL a good amount of the time. Then, once the lights are on, he forgets that he has DL on the roster.

Beware of what you guys think you will be getting with Jones - assuming Capers hasn't had a brain transplant, it is entirely likely that he will negate Jones by constantly playing small and soft. How many times last year did Capers get a sack on 2nd down - now 3rd and 16, and he rushes 3, plays man behind it and a team like Jacksonville converts an easy first down with a little flair pass in the flat?? or he simply lets the TE run free down the middle for an easy pitch and catch at the 12 yard mark, but doesn't even encounter the first defender until he's already at the 1st down marker??

Capers is the problem - I don't see that changing at all. He's been misusing several good players since he's been here - what makes any of you think he'll use Jones to good effect??

Is it too much to hope for the Capers brain transplant?

[Carolina_Packer]

I'd like to echo Noodle's post. I should post more, but who needs to when PB and all you guys are getting out so much great info.

I thought everyone on here was really getting into it when I read so & so "beat Banjo".

Banjo is a type of coverage usually only discussed by coaches, etc. It's a field call for a switch. The outside defender takes the wr that runs an outside route, the inside defender takes the receiver that runs inside route. The call is made to defeat pick and rub routes by the offense.

I didn't realize we had a player named Banjo.

Wonder what they'll do when they call a banjo in the game?

The poor bastard will have to be confused.

I hear he has a lot of...pluck. Perhaps one day, he'll be first...string.

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Well now, things are just getting weird.

Jason Wilde @jasonjwilde 26m
Can he play left tackle? RT @Slappyb27: Vince Young at the airport in gb tonight pic.twitter.com/WhWnYxuL0B

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Sign him for camp and have him run the hell out of the read option in scout team

[Pugger]

It might be interesting to see what MM and Clements can do with a kid like Vince Young...