Running game - Is it really the guys up front?

[denverYooper]

8 in the box against Rodgers would be a bloodbath.

[pbmax]

8 in the box against Rodgers would be a bloodbath.

Yep. Its why I suspect a decent back will be enough with 7 man fronts. We'll see.

[pbmax]

Tyler Dunne @TyDunne 37m
#Packers rookie J.C. Tretter who broke ankle in OTA's.... RT @JCTretter It feels great to finally get off the crutches! #backonmyown2feet

[Guiness]

Tyler Dunne @TyDunne 37m
#Packers rookie J.C. Tretter who broke ankle in OTA's.... RT @JCTretter It feels great to finally get off the crutches! #backonmyown2feet

broke it at OTAs in May, right? How long to come back? Have to think 6 months if everything goes ok, I guess he might still play this season.

[Joemailman]

broke it at OTAs in May, right? How long to come back? Have to think 6 months if everything goes ok, I guess he might still play this season.

I don't think you're going to get anything out of a rookie who missed all of the offseason and training camp. I suspect he'll be put on IR.

[run pMc]

I don't think you're going to get anything out of a rookie who missed all of the offseason and training camp. I suspect he'll be put on IR.

Agree...either IR or PUP. Depends on what they think they have with Taylor, Van Rot(t)en, et al., but he seems destined for IR.

If he's just off the crutches now, he's got a way to go before he can anchor against 320lb DT's or run block them...he's also got to pick up the offense if he hasn't thru mental reps already. Pretty big hurdles for a rookie.

[swede]

I don't think you're going to get anything out of a rookie who missed all of the offseason and training camp. I suspect he'll be put on IR.

Agree...either IR or PUP. Depends on what they think they have with Taylor, Van Rot(t)en, et al., but he seems destined for IR.

If he's just off the crutches now, he's got a way to go before he can anchor against 320lb DT's or run block them...he's also got to pick up the offense if he hasn't thru mental reps already. Pretty big hurdles for a rookie.

Tretter should lift, eat, and practice the shotgun snap for the next ten months. He'll be a good 'un next year, not this year.

[bobblehead]

Roy Helu. Remember the name. He will be the next Mike Shanahan RB to prove that its the line, not the RB.

[RashanGary]

Roy Helu. Remember the name. He will be the next Mike Shanahan RB to prove that its the line, not the RB.

That's more of a system I think. Some guys, guys with great vision and one-cut ability will excel in zone blocking and then be so/so in a pattern blocking scheme. Helu is that type of player. He's a one-cut back with excellent speed. Similar to Ryan Grant.

Oh, does Ryan Grant prove your point that it's the OL. No other Packer in the MM era has been able to produce like Grant. Clearly it was Grant being the right back for our system and not the line, no?

[RashanGary]

bobble, it's a little of both with a bunch of other things factored in too. At the end of the day though, great running backs run great no matter where they play. They break tackles, run for daylight and just do extraordinary things. Very good backs do very good things. Bad backs to bad things. And there are the system guys. One-cut/vision runners run well in one-cut/vision systems. The runner makes a lot of his own luck. He sets up blocks, reads blocks well and has a knack for being slippery. Great running backs make OL's look a lot better.

Lacy will prove that this year IMO. With him we will be a different team than without. We don't have a runner even close to his talent and he's not a HOF type player either. He's just a really good back IMO and he's going to play really well because that's what he does.

[bobblehead]

That's more of a system I think. Some guys, guys with great vision and one-cut ability will excel in zone blocking and then be so/so in a pattern blocking scheme. Helu is that type of player. He's a one-cut back with excellent speed. Similar to Ryan Grant.

Oh, does Ryan Grant prove your point that it's the OL. No other Packer in the MM era has been able to produce like Grant. Clearly it was Grant being the right back for our system and not the line, no?

That was the beginning, when we actually committed to the run a bit. When MM took over and really hammered home the ZBS. When we had Tauscher and wells. I have admitted that its a bit of a balance, but as I have always said. A great line rises all backs, but a great back is merely average behind a bad line.

[bobblehead]

bobble, it's a little of both with a bunch of other things factored in too. At the end of the day though, great running backs run great no matter where they play. They break tackles, run for daylight and just do extraordinary things. Very good backs do very good things. Bad backs to bad things. And there are the system guys. One-cut/vision runners run well in one-cut/vision systems. The runner makes a lot of his own luck. He sets up blocks, reads blocks well and has a knack for being slippery. Great running backs make OL's look a lot better.

Lacy will prove that this year IMO. With him we will be a different team than without. We don't have a runner even close to his talent and he's not a HOF type player either. He's just a really good back IMO and he's going to play really well because that's what he does.

There is ONLY one cut runners. Other than barry sanders there has never been a successful back in the NFL history that was more than a one cut runner. That is the point MM is always making when he refers to one cut and go. I guess there have been a few successful NO cut runners like John Riggins or Earl Campbell, but those guys were never a threat to take it to the house.

I have been watching this game a long time. Yes, Payton made his line look better. A few others. But I can list ad nauseam the lines that made the backs. Emmit used to get 5 yards untouched. Ahman was good....as was the shitter and Tony Fischer behind the same line. Dickerson was great, Barry Reddon was really good behind that same line. Terell Davis, Reuben Drones, and so many I can't even remember the list of 1000 yard journymen from Denver. Alfred Morris ran a 4.7 and was a 6th round draft pick, but behind a disciplined ZBS team and a coach committed to the run he trots for a cool 1600 yards. AP got 2k, but lets be honest, that is a good OL. Add in the best RB in the game you get a special season. You dont' win championships with special running seasons, you do it by running and passing effectively. The best way to do that is a respectable RB (not Green off a knee surgery) and a good OL.

[Guiness]

Good point about one cut and no cut. And Emmit. I don't know if Barry Sanders was the only runner who could make more than one cut, but they are rare. Looking at the NFL right now, maybe Doug Martin (TB)? I'm not saying he's BS's equivalent by any means, but he's pretty good at reversing the field and making guys miss.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Gale Sayers made two-cuts before the Bears even broke the huddle:

[mraynrand]

those are some sweet moves. Berman would run out of "woops"