What we saw last night

[wist43]

Wow... I just can't believe what you guys see with your eyes. We were dominated, completely dominated in that game - in every way.

Rodgers covers up a lot of shortcomings... he dumps the ball off and gets some positive yds, and you guys forget about it; he throws the ball away to avoid a sack, it goes down as an incomplete, and the next play they get a first down somehow - but what I saw, and didn't forget, was that the OL either completely broke down or got run over the previous play.

The flaws are numerous and obvious - Rodgers covers a lot of it up, but the flaws are there and against power teams they are fatal.

Yes, the season is over before it starts for us b/c we haven't addressed the flaws that killed us last year. It's the same crap that gets us beat against power teams every year... styles make fights, but power trumps finesse every time, when the power team plays square football.

[Maxie the Taxi]

What I saw a few minutes ago....

I watched the Packers' first offensive series again and slowed the motion down so I could concentrate on the LOS play. We controlled it. In my opinion our offensive line did not get manhandled or even defeated. They did well on pass protection. When Seattle forced Rodgers out of the pocket it was due to Rodgers not finding an open man.

On the running plays, Harris picked the wrong hole a couple of times. On one play their was a gaping hole on the left and he went right. On another there was daylight right and left and Harris plowed up the middle, seemingly with his eyes closed.

If Lacy is in there, he rips off long runs. If Cobb and Nelson are in there, we score on that first series...no doubt.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it. If you want evidence, go to the video tape.

[wist43]

I like the way Wist trumpets caper hating propaganda. He's the Maynard Ferguson of caper hating propaganda.

[denverYooper]

Nelson and Cobb looked terrible. Seattle totally shut down the passing attack in the second half. The season is over.

Yeah. Rodgers had like 4 completions all night. Pitiful.

[swede]

Wow... I just can't believe what you guys see with your eyes. We were dominated, completely dominated in that game - in every way.

Rodgers covers up a lot of shortcomings... he dumps the ball off and gets some positive yds, and you guys forget about it; he throws the ball away to avoid a sack, it goes down as an incomplete, and the next play they get a first down somehow - but what I saw, and didn't forget, was that the OL either completely broke down or got run over the previous play.

The flaws are numerous and obvious - Rodgers covers a lot of it up, but the flaws are there and against power teams they are fatal.

Yes, the season is over before it starts for us b/c we haven't addressed the flaws that killed us last year. It's the same crap that gets us beat against power teams every year... styles make fights, but power trumps finesse every time, when the power team plays square football.

[red]

I just dont get why we continue to leave anyone who goes over the middle completely uncovered

For years, teams have been able to throw at will over the middle on us

Why can we not stop this?

[wist43]

You guys are consistent, lol...

What I saw, from the opening kickoff, was a repeat of the SF game...

What you guys saw was a whole bunch of positivity that just didn't quite pan out - we were "this close" to killing 'em!!! lol

[pbmax]

Worried about O line but that was against a very good Seattle front 7. They will struggle early this year against that level of talent running the ball. New positions, old EDS and no Bulaga will take an adjustment. Same as every other year apparently.

Defense played well. Backups gave up big plays that hurt.

But let's breakdown this picture, the D alignment prior to Christian Michael's TD run off tackle to the right. That is the Packer #2 defense (3rd team in some cases) versus the #1 Seattle O except at RB. Caper's has dialed this up to stop the pass on 2nd and 18 and Seattle quite smartly checks to a run. As Dan points out, Means blows a tackle/force attempt mid-run that would have helped. But what happens before that is more telling.

[Carolina_Packer]

I like what MM did with playing reserves earlier to get game experience against 1's and 2's. You can only measure so much about a player getting game reps against 3's and 4's. I like Vic Ketchman's comment on Packers.com "Ask Vic" on the 22nd:

Rebecca from Viroqua, WI

Not to be a worst-case scenario kind of girl here, and I really doubt this will happen, but let’s say the Seahawks come to Lambeau on Friday and thrash the Packers. Could a loss like that have any effect on the team for the beginning of the regular season? Or would it give them a sort of chip on their shoulder and motivate them to prove what they’re capable of?

Vic's response:

It would have no effect on the team. Rebecca, on Monday following the final preseason game, Coach McCarthy will flip the switch on the start of the regular season and the Packers’ opener in San Francisco, and we’ll quickly forget everything that happened in the preseason. It’s been that way for every team I’ve ever covered. The only thing that resembles the football that’s played in the preseason and the football that’s played in the regular season is the ball. You have two more weeks to relax and enjoy summer. Two weeks from today, the nervous tension in Packers nation for the opener in San Francisco will be crippling. Don’t rush it. It’ll get here soon enough.

Good stuff! The sky is not falling. I hope you actually enjoy following the Packers. People who want to keep a positive outlook are not homers. They just choose not to be so "real"

[mraynrand]

I like the way Wist trumpets caper hating propaganda. He's the Robert Ferguson of caper hating propaganda.

fify

[mraynrand]

But let's breakdown this picture, the D alignment prior to Christian Michael's TD run off tackle to the right. That is the Packer #2 defense (3rd team in some cases) versus the #1 Seattle O except at RB. Caper's has dialed this up to stop the pass on 2nd and 18 and Seattle quite smartly checks to a run. As Dan points out, Means blows a tackle/force attempt mid-run that would have helped. But what happens before that is more telling.

do tell

[King Friday]

Wow... I just can't believe what you guys see with your eyes. We were dominated, completely dominated in that game - in every way.

Well, our offense was dominated because Rodgers only played 5% of the game and Nelson and Cobb 0%. When your offensive playmakers aren't playing, a defense as good as Seattle's will make you look silly.

Defensively, I thought we held up well against Seattle. It wasn't a great game, but we held their #1 offense to 3 points in the first half. I don't care how often Seattle was penalized or shot themselves in the foot...3 points is 3 points, and that is what our defense gave up. If we had been dominated, Seattle would've scored more than 3 points.

[swede]

I like the way Wist trumpets caper hating propaganda. He's the Robert Ferguson of caper hating propaganda.

fify

Next year he's gonna be awesome.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I actually took a lot of positives out of the game. Probably the most disappointing was the run blocking by the first unit. I don't expect much from the second unit, and I don't expect much from Lacy when its the second unit vs. Seattle's 1st team defense and Harrell is throwing backwards passes to him that result in him gaining -13 yards. However, the first unit did struggle in run blocking against a pretty stout defense.

POSITIVES
OL pass blocking
Vince Young
DL had 4 sacks and should have had 6 (on one the Packers accepted a holding and on another Manning got a questionable roughing the passer penalty)
Tim Masthay was ridiculous
Jeremy Ross looked dangerous on returns
Mason Crosby made his FG easily

NEGATIVES
1st OL pass blocking
Injuries
Too many backup WRs and TEs dropped balls or fumbled balls they caught

[mraynrand]

You guys are consistent, lol...

What I saw, from the opening kickoff, was a repeat of the SF game...

What you guys saw was a whole bunch of positivity that just didn't quite pan out - we were "this close" to killing 'em!!! lol

I missed the pick 6.

BTW,



We know your opinions, but now you're just being a inane drone. Maybe some specific analysis and context might help.