Me and my pal Wist (or, worst Training Camp EVER!!)

[swede]

Packers D Ranks

Year . . . Yards . . .Points
2012 . . 11th . . . 11th
2011 . . 32nd . . . 19th
2010 . . 5th . . . . 2nd
2009 . . 2nd . . . . 7th

The only clear trend is that we are not usually as bad as we think.

In 2011 we were playing prevent D from our first 14-0 lead on.

[Patler]

Packers D Ranks

Year . . . Yards . . .Points
2012 . . 11th . . . 11th
2011 . . 32nd . . . 19th
2010 . . 5th . . . . 2nd
2009 . . 2nd . . . . 7th

Interesting numbers. Don't necessarily jive with the angst displayed by Packer fans.

"Yards" is a category that I don't attach a lot of significance to either offensively or defensively. In the end all that really matters is whether you score points and surrender points.

[Patler]

The only clear trend is that we are not usually as bad as we think.

In 2011 we were playing prevent D from our first 14-0 lead on.

As I recall (and I am too lazy to look) for all the points scored in 2011, the time of possession was not impressive. They scored very quickly when they got their hands on the ball, and quickly gave it back to the opponent. It would be interesting to compare the Opponents # of possessions in 2011 compared to other years.

[pbmax]

More important that the aggregate is the easy access in public memory to the playoff fiascos versus the Giants and 49ers.

I think there is something to the notion that playoff games are more important than many reg season games beyond the obvious. You are facing quality opposition in most cases. But its still a small sample size.

The Giants game still worries me more than the 49ers game. We'll see.

EDIT: Curse auto correct!

[Fritz]

More important that the aggregate is the easy access in pubic memory to the playoff fiascos versus the Giants and 49ers.

I think there is something to the notion that playoff games are more important than many reg season games beyond the obvious. You are facing quality opposition in most cases. But its still a small sample size.

The Giants game still worries me more than the 49ers game. We'll see.

I have many, many pubic memories, but those two games are not amongst them.

[Cheesehead Craig]

As I recall (and I am too lazy to look) for all the points scored in 2011, the time of possession was not impressive. They scored very quickly when they got their hands on the ball, and quickly gave it back to the opponent. It would be interesting to compare the Opponents # of possessions in 2011 compared to other years.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/plays-per-game

Ask and ye shall receive, for the offense, avg # plays/game (rank):

2012 - 64.7 (10)
2011 - 62.4 (24)
2010 - 62.4 (22)
2009 - 65.2 (6)

Avg TOP for the offense those years:
2012 - 30:06 (14)
2011 - 30:28 (11)
2010 - 32:00 (4)
2009 - 32:46 (2)

PPG vs GB defense:
2012 - 65.0 (20)
2011 - 65.4 (22)
2010 - 60.2 (6)
2009 - 59.1 (3)

Opp TOP vs GB defense:
2012 - 29:53 (14)
2011 - 29:31 (11)
2010 - 27:59 (4)
2009 - 27:13 (2)

[Patler]

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/plays-per-game

Ask and ye shall receive, for the offense, avg # plays/game (rank):

2012 - 64.7 (10)
2011 - 62.4 (24)
2010 - 62.4 (22)
2009 - 65.2 (6)

Avg TOP for the offense those years:
2012 - 30:06 (14)
2011 - 30:28 (11)
2010 - 32:00 (4)
2009 - 32:46 (2)

PPG vs GB defense:
2012 - 65.0 (20)
2011 - 65.4 (22)
2010 - 60.2 (6)
2009 - 59.1 (3)

Opp TOP vs GB defense:
2012 - 29:53 (14)
2011 - 29:31 (11)
2010 - 27:59 (4)
2009 - 27:13 (2)

Thanks!

I'm not sure if there is anything significant in those numbers, or not. Have to think about it a bit.

[bobblehead]

As I recall (and I am too lazy to look) for all the points scored in 2011, the time of possession was not impressive. They scored very quickly when they got their hands on the ball, and quickly gave it back to the opponent. It would be interesting to compare the Opponents # of possessions in 2011 compared to other years.

I agree with not getting caught up in the stats. I know a good D when I see one. 2010 was good D....we won a lot of games with the D on the field. We hit and hurt many QB's. Not so much since.

[bobblehead]

The Giants game still worries me more than the 49ers game. We'll see.

EDIT: Curse auto correct!

Agree...one team knocked out dick in the dirt, the other outschemed us...I don't respect soft teams that win with scheme. SF is soft.

[Bossman641]

Sorry to threadjack a little, but did Brad Jones look as good on TV as he did at the game? Haven't caught a replay yet.

I sort of agree with Wist about the DL being a stronger unit than the LB's at this time, but even more important (I believe) is keeping those guys fresh. I actually really like the mix of guys we have there.

Regarding Capers playing 2-4 on 2nd and 18. If you can get the other team to check into a run and pick up 5-6 yards that's a win. Can't blame Capers for multiple players blowing assignments.

One thing I'm going to try to track this year is the success of the 2 and 3 man rushes on second and third and long. Everyone loves to bitch and moan when it fails but nobody remembers when it works.

[pbmax]

Mr. Jones looked very quick and was in a hurry to get upfield early in the Seattle game. Reactions seemed faster than last year. Hammy injury cut that show short though.

[wist43]

Like Fritz - I don't have any pubic memories either

But what max brings up is what I am always bringing up - the playoff blowouts.

I've given the laundry list of indictments: the playoff blowouts, the futility records, the obvious breakdowns, etc...

Yes, you can make excuses for some of those things - youth, injuries, and talent are at the top of the list; but at some point you have to look at the General. There are ways of dealing with those issues - and every DC in the league has to deal with them.

Capers has an MO - and that MO shows a quick fix, and then diminishing results over time, eventually leading to his firing. Don't know why this is - I suspect it has something to do with hair coloring, but that's just a theory

As for what Capers has been putting on the field - definition of insanity, i.e. same thing over and over again expecting different results. As I said, a decent OC worth his salt is going to see the same weaknesses I'm seeing, and he's going to exploit them - unfortunately, we see that played out on the field too often.

You can't abandon fundamentals and expect to get away with it - once in while?? yes, innovative, unexpected?? yes; but baseline fundamentals must be adhered to in your base system or you're going to have huge, and numerous breakdowns - which is exactly what we have been seeing from the Packers the last 2 years.

What set me off this preseason is not the fact that we lost a couple of meaningless games - who gives a shit about wins/losses in the preseason?? All you're looking at is personnel and working on your schemes. It is the schemes that set me off... same ol, same ol.

You're not going to reveal any innovations you might have in store for the regular season, but the core of what you do is going to be on the field - Capers has changed nothing; and having changed nothing, we should expect similar results.

We play SF in just a couple of weeks. I think we have the talent on defense to play with them toe-to-toe... with Capers pulling the strings, however, I expect more of the same that we saw last year - I expect a game completely similar to last years Game 1 domination. The final score of that game may have been 30-22, but the game was never that close - SF dominated us on both sides of the ball, and that had less to do with talent, and more to do with coaching and philosophy.

[wist43]

Agree...one team knocked out dick in the dirt, the other outschemed us...I don't respect soft teams that win with scheme. SF is soft.

lol - yes, those clever ballarinas

[Tony Oday]

So when we shut down big nose and the rainbow warriors week one Wist will put: Dom Capers is a god in his Sig.

[ThunderDan]

So when we shut down big nose and the rainbow warriors week one Wist will put: Dom Capers is a god in his Sig.

That's what I am wondering also. What if the Pack wins at SF, beats CIN and WASH. We are 3-0 at the bye week. I think at best we are 2-1 with that opening schedule but you never know how teams are going to change from year-to-year.

If the Pack somehow got to 3-0, what would Wist do? Would he apologize to Dom Capers and the rest of the Pack?

How about rbAloha if we stopped both SF and WASH read option? Would his head explode and endanger other Hawaiians on the islands?