The Official Gameweek Discussion thread: 2013 Season Opener: Packers v 49ers

[Tony Oday]

I want them to break the fake franchise QB.

[mraynrand]

lot of excitement here for the big game

[pittstang5]

I want them to break the fake franchise QB.

[VegasPackFan]

I think a ref can tell the difference between a play fake drop back and a read option type play or bootleg.

[pbmax]

I think a ref can tell the difference between a play fake drop back and a read option type play or bootleg.

The only difference is the ball. Two hands on it from the QB and he puts it into the gut of the RB. But he can still pull it and throw.

Play action is almost never with the ball near the RB.

[VegasPackFan]

The only difference is the ball. Two hands on it from the QB and he puts it into the gut of the RB. But he can still pull it and throw.

Play action is almost never with the ball near the RB.

In play action, he still drops straight back. In the read option he is moving along the line of scrimmage.

[bobblehead]

The only difference is the ball. Two hands on it from the QB and he puts it into the gut of the RB. But he can still pull it and throw.

Play action is almost never with the ball near the RB.

Ok, key point. The RB fakes getting the ball and gets hit on play action. On read option the QB fakes keeping the ball (for the purpose of running it) and as such, hitting him should be allowed. Otherwise you are reading the defenders mind "he KNEW the QB didn't have the ball and was only pretending to have it; therefore he shouldn't have hit him even though the QB was trying to convince him that he needed to be tackled."

If you fake having the ball and get hit, tough shit. If you hand it off and stand upright with your hands at your side, then you don't get hit.

[pbmax]

In play action, he still drops straight back. In the read option he is moving along the line of scrimmage.

In an traditional option, say a normal 2 option play (FB Belly or QB off tackle) OR a triple option (with a pitch man), the QB is absolutely moving along the line of scrimmage.

But in the read option, the back is right next to him (either offset from him at the start in shotgun OR behind him and coming up to him in pistol). Read option from either of those formations looks exactly like a play fake except the two hands. But since you can still either run or pass, its not the same as a play action fake.

[pbmax]

Ok, key point. The RB fakes getting the ball and gets hit on play action. On read option the QB fakes keeping the ball (for the purpose of running it) and as such, hitting him should be allowed. Otherwise you are reading the defenders mind "he KNEW the QB didn't have the ball and was only pretending to have it; therefore he shouldn't have hit him even though the QB was trying to convince him that he needed to be tackled."

If you fake having the ball and get hit, tough shit. If you hand it off and stand upright with your hands at your side, then you don't get hit.

I know what you are getting at, but if he (fake) tucks the ball away and runs, he is a runner and I think the rule covers this already.

If he keeps and steps back to pass, he is a passer.

But what is he at the moment of the mesh? And what is he after he gives and does not run but is attempting to avoid contact with the unblocked DE?

Because that's when Suggs hit him and what Matthews says he's going to hit him.

[packer4life]

I'm bummed about the loss of Hayward. No surprise he's a scratch for the game, but I was looking forward to us having everyone back on D. I don't think House will do well as slot CB in the nickel. He is better on the outside, that means we will be putting a slow, inexperienced rookie in the slot. Better hope he's ready to stick it to Kaepernick.

Would Dom try Shields at nickel and slide House outside if Hyde doesn't show up? Gotta think he has some sort of backup escape plan ready for this one.

[George Cumby]

I think we lose this battle but begin winning the war this weekend 21-17

This.

[mission]

Would Dom try Shields at nickel and slide House outside if Hyde doesn't show up? Gotta think he has some sort of backup escape plan ready for this one.

Dom's track record of having a backup escape plan doesn't speak well for itself.

[Bossman641]

I'm actually not that concerned about Hayward being out this Sunday. Does it suck? Yes, but if he's going to miss games I'd rather it be against a running team. SF's wr's don't exactly strike fear into opposing secondaries (Boldin, Kyle Williams, Chad Hall, and Collie). Hayward had a few clean shots at Kaepernick in the playoffs and blew them. The size of Hyde and House might be more effective against Kapernick and the run game.

[VegasPackFan]

WR's should be Boldin, Marlin Moore, Quinton Patton, Williams and then Vernon Davis. They may not be known well but there's talent there especially with Patton. We'll see. We arent that great against power running teams either.

[Bossman641]

WR's should be Boldin, Marlin Moore, Quinton Patton, Williams and then Vernon Davis. They may not be known well but there's talent there especially with Patton. We'll see. We arent that great against power running teams either.

Sorry, forgot about Patton. I'm not saying we are great against power running teams, just that the dropoff between Hayward and Hyde/House would be further magnified against a really good passing offense with multiple dangerous WR.