The Official Gameweek Discussion thread: 2013 Season Opener: Packers v 49ers

[pbmax]

This need to contain and not attack must be difficult for NFL defenders, who tend to be, by nature, aggressive - and have been taught to be aggressive. Now you're asking these guys to contain and manage. Not easy.

The second issue is that by not attacking, the defense is allowing the QB more time to pass. This puts a lot of pressure on the defensive backs.

No wonder it's been hard to defend.

I think that is a big reason the Capers defense was particularly susceptible. When in doubt attack and be a little loose with your assignments describes a lot of Packer Defensive games.

The downside about passing for the O is that you are running a lot of 2 and 3 man routes, so coverage is possible until pressure arrives.

[pbmax]

What did the Ravens do that we didn't when we played SF? Baltimore played Haloti Ngata. You guys seem to want all these two gappers, Ngata could two gap an ICBM. When he went out with the leg injury, SF got back in the ball game.

We need Johnny Jolly to be our Ngata.

There is a limit to what a 2 gapping interior guy will be able to do, however.

Gore still ran 19 times for 110 yards (5.8 per).

[mraynrand]

I think this is the most obvious thing to do with Neal. I wonder if an ILB or DB comes out though. Perry and Neal are big enough to stand up to a run play. Clay in coverage would be dicey since he would have S assignments.

But if they took Hawk out and played Matthews strong side, could be interesting.

And again let me restate what control the LOS people refuse to acknowledge. On Kapernick's touchdown, Raji and Pickett got double teamed and Wilson and Matthews were backside. None of them was within five yards of the ball at any time.

Now that is not to say the D line did not have breakdowns. But those game changing plays plus his scrambles were not control the LOS issues. Ready to be proven wrong yet again, its speed, position and assignments more than beef at issue here.

I'm reminded of a scene from Lawrence of Arbia:


BRIGHTON: Dreaming won't get
you to Damascus, sir, but discipline
will. Look, sir, Great Britain is a small
country; it's much smaller than yours; a
small population compared with some; it's
small but it's great, and why?

ALI: Because it has guns!

BRIGHTON: Because it has discipline!*







*P.S. it was exotic scheming and blitzes that won Aqaba!

[mraynrand]

You guys seem to want all these two gappers, Ngata could two gap an ICBM.

Slim Pickins on the other hand, struggled holding his anchor

[pbmax]

What could Scott Tolzien teach the Packers? Trent Dilfer said he gave the 49ers the entire Seahawk playbook in 2006 (two 49er wins). Dilfer offers his opinion on what Tolzien could be expected to provide.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/09/03/dilfer-ex-49ers-qb-tolzien-could-give-packers-assist/

[mraynrand]

What could Scott Tolzien teach the Packers? Trent Dilfer said he gave the 49ers the entire Seahawk playbook in 2006 (two 49er wins). Dilfer offers his opinion on what Tolzien could be expected to provide.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2013/09...ackers-assist/

if you’re the Green Bay Packers and you want to be taken behind the veil, so to speak, of what the 49ers do, the best guy to get is Scott Tolzien. Because the whole reason he was on the 49ers’ roster is because he was a smart guy. It wasn’t because he was a highly talented player.

Ha, ha! Dilfer speaks from experience to be sure.

[pbmax]

Come on Harbaugh meltdown!

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NFL confirms: Read-option quarterbacks can be hit like runners http://wp.me/p14QSB-9gmG

[mraynrand]

“He is still treated as a runner until he is clearly out of the play,” Blandino said. “The quarterback makes the pitch, he’s still a runner — he can be hit like a runner until he’s clearly out of the play.”

Release the hounds!

[Guiness]

Come on Harbaugh meltdown!

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NFL confirms: Read-option quarterbacks can be hit like runners http://wp.me/p14QSB-9gmG

Just read that. It confirms what CMIII has been saying, and Harbaugh has been complaining about http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ng-kaepernick/ and levels things out a bit.

[Pugger]

Yes, that's what he said - and I don't agree with that.

I want to bloody Kapnerfucker up from the first snap. If you control the LOS with your down lineman (which Aranda did say to do), you can send Matthews or Perry right after Kapnerfucker, and smack him in the mouth every play - eventually, it'll get in his head and wear him down.

Mr. Holdingintheendzone will send in a pistol call, and Kapnercoward will call another play in the huddle - tired of getting smacked around.

Q: who ya gonna have 2-gapping?? You gonna scrap the 2-4 on 3rd and 8??

As I said, you can say Jolly and Pickett can 2-gap, but that's it - and what are the odds that they will be on the field together very much?? and, we all know Capers will be in a 2-4 on 3rd and 8 - and he absolutely won't have 4 DL on the field at the same time. See the problem with translating Aranda's remedy to our personnel and what Capers is likely to do??

The results we will be evaluating come Monday can't possibly be as bad as the 579 turd Capers laid 8 months ago, but I seriously doubt he will make the changes necessary to slow the Niners down much. Capers is who he is... a leopard doesn't change his spots.

Capers believes coverage trumps run defense and pressure every time - it will be a mighty internal struggle for him to come off of that core belief.

He can't possibly be as inept as he was 8 months ago, but I suspect we're in for another ass-whoopin on Sunday. They stomped us last year - twice, and the only upgrade we've got coming in is D. Jones.

Kapnermoron won't run for another 181, but we're still undermanned up front - at least the way Mr. Spraypaintedhair approaches front six play.

Datone Jones is the only upgrade? I know you have no love for Mr. Spraypaintedhair but this won't be the same defense we trotted out there last January.

[bobblehead]

Just a minor quibble about McGahee. He got 2.5 times the yards of the previous year because he got 2.5 times the carries. he got more carries because Tebow really can't run an NFL style passing offense. McGahee's average with Bal in 2009 was slightly better than 2011. When Peyton Manning rolled into town, McGahee's yards dropped off dramatically and his av slumped back to about his career average. I assume the read option helps the run game, but in the case of McGahee, his improved numbers came because they fed him the ball a hell of a lot more, not because the RO was such a threat (with Tebow it was largely a double threat, with Kap it is a triple threat)

Yes and no. McGahee was the second active leader in carries. A lot of miles. He was/is washed up, but the RO put him back in the effective range. Yes, carries matter, but there was a reason he wasn't getting the carries. However as you point out, Tebow (and most RO QB's) can't run effective NFL offenses. That is why I am anti RO/running QB's.

[bobblehead]

I think they made Neal a OLB so that they can a sort of run a 4-3 with him and Perry as the ends and CM3 going where ever he chooses on a play. Can overload and have one of Perry/Neal drop into a zone.

I still think they did it because without the PED's he can't keep on the weight required to be a DL.....just my 2 cents worth.

[Pugger]

I wish Clay wouldn't have opened his yap about hitting the QB. All it did was get Harbawl all in a tizzy and crying to the refs. I just hope the officials in this game won't flag him for hitting CK even if the hit was legal after all of this crap. I know the rules say a defender can hit a QB if he is acting like a runner but you know how refs can be when it comes to "judgement calls".

[KYPack]

Slim Pickins on the other hand, struggled holding his anchor

Classic flick, classic pic.

[KYPack]

There is a limit to what a 2 gapping interior guy will be able to do, however.

Gore still ran 19 times for 110 yards (5.8 per).

I'll need a breakdown of Gore's yardage pre and post Ngata.

Don't do it coach,I'm kiddin ya, but those were two different defenses when the big Samoan was out.