Scoops McGinn Stirs the Pot!

[mraynrand]

Simply speaking to the philosophy ayn...

You know full well that TT wouldn't give up a 6th round draft pick for a guy like Boldin - find a comparable safety of Boldin's caliber, if we have a glaring hole there, TT would never resort to signing a vet. We have years of track record to back that up.

He will throw 2,487 6th round draft picks at fixing the hole, and if that doesn't work, he will just live with the hole in the lineup. That's his MO.

For better or worse, that's his MO.

Sure, but the MO has a reason. Follow the line of questioning and you start to run out of options pretty fast. Who could the Packers have signed or traded for at a reasonable cost to step in for Burnett and Hawyard after the Seattle preseason game who could learn the D, play for a few weeks, then either be relegated to the bench or be waived.

I'm not opposed to trying to improve the team via FA, and recognize TT's extreme reticence to go that route. But it seems to me the MO is formed by a recognition of the circumstances, and the low success rates of such FA/trade stop gap methods.

[wist43]

Sure, but the MO has a reason. Follow the line of questioning and you start to run out of options pretty fast. Who could the Packers have signed or traded for at a reasonable cost to step in for Burnett and Hawyard after the Seattle preseason game who could learn the D, play for a few weeks, then either be relegated to the bench or be waived.

I'm not opposed to trying to improve the team via FA, and recognize TT's extreme reticence to go that route. But it seems to me the MO is formed by a recognition of the circumstances, and the low success rates of such FA/trade stop gap methods.

I wouldn't have the foggiest notion who was available at any position - I'm a Packer fan, and TT is our GM. We are not going to look at FA's, we are not going to sign FA's - I don't even bother looking at who is available.

We have 1 method of player procurement, and that is the draft; hence, I look solely at the draft.

[run pMc]

Well if bigger and tougher doesn't get you the win, free agency must be the answer...

Honestly, I can't think of a safety that was available and worth signing that wouldn't have caused hand-wringing over cap space. They extended Rodgers, Matthews and Burnett; they weren't going to get the heyday of Ed Reed for the vet minimum...and it makes sense to hope one of your young guys can make that leap.

Sure, I'd like to see TT be more active in FA, but the pickings are usually pretty slim unless you are looking to break the bank. As soon as someone starts a 2014 thread, I'm sure S will be listed as one of the top needs.

+1 to this:

Forget all this bellyaching. Defense is better, offense is going to need time to get O line to gel. Need to beat Washington and not get buried in standings early so they can play for seeding in December.

[MJZiggy]

I wouldn't have the foggiest notion who was available at any position - I'm a Packer fan, and TT is our GM. We are not going to look at FA's, we are not going to sign FA's - I don't even bother looking at who is available.

We have 1 method of player procurement, and that is the draft; hence, I look solely at the draft.

We did not draft Seneca Wallace (at least the Packers did not) nor did we sign Vince Young. Or Pickett. Or Grant when he was with the team. Your argument is absolute shit because we do it selectively, only when a player that fills a need becomes available at the time we need him. If you have a safety that's available right now, I'd love to hear about it. But your argument is silly and frankly, a little stupid.

[mmmdk]

Packers not the very very best team in the league. MEDIOCRE. I stopped reading McGinn, because he's trolling for pageviews at this point. He has no credibility outside of draft time.

The death of the Packers is greatly exaggerated...the rise of Packers to champ contention is also greatly exaggerated!

[mmmdk]

After the disaster of signing Saturday last year I don't blame TT for being gun-shy in FA.

Woodson, Pickett and even Grant via trade seemed to work brilliantly. I think TT has trouble drafting OL as well as signing FA OL. TTs drafting has been awesome - just not lately...though I hope Lacy is a coming star RB.

[mraynrand]

We did not draft Seneca Wallace (at least the Packers did not) nor did we sign Vince Young. Or Pickett. Or Grant when he was with the team. Your argument is absolute shit because we do it selectively, only when a player that fills a need becomes available at the time we need him. If you have a safety that's available right now, I'd love to hear about it. But your argument is silly and frankly, a little stupid.

He's talking philosophy dammit; being qua being, not real being. In the Kantian and Descarte whorls of Wist's inner mind, TT has erected an impenetrable, perfectly reflecting free agent mirrored surface that prevents signing a non-draft pick until time exhausts itself in entropic dissolution.

[MJZiggy]

He's talking philosophy dammit; being qua being, not real being. In the Kantian and Descarte whorls of Wist's inner mind, TT has erected an impenetrable, perfectly reflecting free agent mirrored surface that prevents signing a non-draft pick until time exhausts itself in entropic dissolution.

Descartes made me want to sit in garage with a running car. Now I understand why.

[pbmax]

Simply speaking to the philosophy ayn...

You know full well that TT wouldn't give up a 6th round draft pick for a guy like Boldin - find a comparable safety of Boldin's caliber, if we have a glaring hole there, TT would never resort to signing a vet. We have years of track record to back that up.

He has thrown better than 6th round picks at vets before and they went elsewhere (Moss, Gonzalez, Lynch). Next contention?

[hoosier]

He's talking philosophy dammit; being qua being, not real being. In the Kantian and Descarte whorls of Wist's inner mind, TT has erected an impenetrable, perfectly reflecting free agent mirrored surface that prevents signing a non-draft pick until time exhausts itself in entropic dissolution.

[bobblehead]

Simply speaking to the philosophy ayn...

You know full well that TT wouldn't give up a 6th round draft pick for a guy like Boldin - find a comparable safety of Boldin's caliber, if we have a glaring hole there, TT would never resort to signing a vet. We have years of track record to back that up.

He will throw 2,487 6th round draft picks at fixing the hole, and if that doesn't work, he will just live with the hole in the lineup. That's his MO.

For better or worse, that's his MO.

I spent the offseason hammering my one 9er friend about the collusion trade. NO way Boldin should have been had for a 6th, and as such, there is NO WAY TT could have found a comparable safety for a 6th since that trade was shit.

[bobblehead]

We did not draft Seneca Wallace (at least the Packers did not) nor did we sign Vince Young. Or Pickett. Or Grant when he was with the team. Your argument is absolute shit because we do it selectively, only when a player that fills a need becomes available at the time we need him. If you have a safety that's available right now, I'd love to hear about it. But your argument is silly and frankly, a little stupid.

wow, schooled by a woman

[Zool]

The other problem with a trade, the team that currently owns the players rights needs to want them gone. There's a reason very few trades happen in the NFL. There's also a reason FA's hit the market. Teams hold on to productive players until they can't afford them. At that point the Packers can't afford them either. Once in a while you get lucky and sign a Woodson or a Pickett. Most of the time you end up with John Carlson in FA.

[mraynrand]

Teams hold on to productive players until they can't afford them. At that point the Packers can't afford them either.

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. Repped.

[hoosier]

I spent the offseason hammering my one 9er friend about the collusion trade. NO way Boldin should have been had for a 6th, and as such, there is NO WAY TT could have found a comparable safety for a 6th since that trade was shit.

You really believe Ozzie gave up Boldin for less than market value to help out his head coach's brother???