Bad locker room in Miami?

[LEWCWA]

starting to understand why coaches kid may have killed himself.....coach looks like a complete douche...

[Patler]

If he doesnt want a career in the NFL, I would doubt with his mental toughness he will get a shot but hell they give killers, rapists and dog butcherers shots, then he went about it correctly. Said screw you guys Im going home.

If he wants to continue his career that is what you are supposed to do, its a job, you go up the chain of coaching/leadership.

He gave his parents his "evidence" and let them do his dirty work. My son does this too but he is 7.

What is "mental toughness"???
I think there is a lot of mental toughness involved in going against the status quo as he did.
I think there is a lot of mental toughness involved in jeopardizing a multi-million dollar job, as he did.

I think it is 100% wrong to equate metal toughness only with accepting abuse, even if it is not physical. By that analysis, an emotionally or verbally abused spouse is only mentally tough if they stay in the relationship, not if they leave it.

Does he have to complain to everyone there is? If he has to go to team mates, than position coach, then OC, then HC then GM, how long does he have to wait? Why isn't once or twice enough? Does he have to whine about it daily? Does he have to wait a year for things to change?

This could very well end up in a legal battle. Both his parents are attorneys. If he did turn over his evidence to them (I hadn't heard that) it was probably a wise decision on his part.

[Freak Out]

Wow.

[Tony Oday]

What is "mental toughness"???
I think there is a lot of mental toughness involved in going against the status quo as he did.
I think there is a lot of mental toughness involved in jeopardizing a multi-million dollar job, as he did.

I think it is 100% wrong to equate metal toughness only with accepting abuse, even if it is not physical. By that analysis, an emotionally or verbally abused spouse is only mentally tough if they stay in the relationship, not if they leave it.

Does he have to complain to everyone there is? If he has to go to team mates, than position coach, then OC, then HC then GM, how long does he have to wait? Why isn't once or twice enough? Does he have to whine about it daily? Does he have to wait a year for things to change?

This could very well end up in a legal battle. Both his parents are attorneys. If he did turn over his evidence to them (I hadn't heard that) it was probably a wise decision on his part.

I think there is no mental toughness in what he did. Was it gutsy as hell throwing away that much cash hell yeah. He did not have to accept the abuse, he could have gone to OTAs and said no to the money extortion. When he has a complaint there is a process just like the real life. Did this guy have NO friends on the team in a year? How is that possible? I would go first to friends to see if that happens to them or former teamates from Stanford to see if it was happening to them on other teams, if it was then it is a systemic problem throughout the NFL, since it sounds like this doesnt happen then I would have gone to my position coach that I deal with on a practically hourly basis, if he said nothing I would have gone to the OC, I personally would keep going higher until it was addressed but I would be fine if that is where he stopped.

He, according to reports, didnt go to anyone then just snapped when eating some spaghetti.

Whats the charge? Hostile work environment? Get a witness. Your assertation has been he is a smart guy that doesn't need football and these neanderthals do so why would they jepordize their careers and testify against the club?

[MadtownPacker]

I think what Tony isn't seeing is the business side of all this. In likely every corporation there is a HR. Based on my own and others encounters with Inhuman Resources it always seems like they are looking out for the company and nothing else. I have yet to see where they took the side of what is right over what is right for the company. I think this situation is just like that. Dude went through the process and realized nothing was going to be done so he said fuck it.

[red]

Based on my own and others encounters with Inhuman Resources

i bet you're one of those mexicans that can't take a friendly little joke and goes crying to HR every time someone calls you a beaner or wetback, or a drunk?

[Joemailman]

i bet you're one of those mexicans that can't take a friendly little joke and goes crying to HR every time someone calls you a beaner or wetback, or a drunk?

I would never call that pendejo names like that.

[Tony Oday]

I think what Tony isn't seeing is the business side of all this. In likely every corporation there is a HR. Based on my own and others encounters with Inhuman Resources it always seems like they are looking out for the company and nothing else. I have yet to see where they took the side of what is right over what is right for the company. I think this situation is just like that. Dude went through the process and realized nothing was going to be done so he said fuck it.

See I don't see that he did go through the process and that is my beef with this, sounds like he endured this "inhumane" treatement, at the hands of a mean racist that intimidated him by locking him up in the locker room and only letting him out to practice and play, as long as his delicate brain could take it then looked at some spaghetti with SPAM and threw it down, ran to the window and said THESE FLOOR ARE DIRTY AS HELL AND IM NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!

[Patler]

I think there is no mental toughness in what he did. Was it gutsy as hell throwing away that much cash hell yeah. He did not have to accept the abuse, he could have gone to OTAs and said no to the money extortion. When he has a complaint there is a process just like the real life. Did this guy have NO friends on the team in a year? How is that possible? I would go first to friends to see if that happens to them or former teamates from Stanford to see if it was happening to them on other teams, if it was then it is a systemic problem throughout the NFL, since it sounds like this doesnt happen then I would have gone to my position coach that I deal with on a practically hourly basis, if he said nothing I would have gone to the OC, I personally would keep going higher until it was addressed but I would be fine if that is where he stopped.

He, according to reports, didnt go to anyone then just snapped when eating some spaghetti.

Whats the charge? Hostile work environment? Get a witness. Your assertation has been he is a smart guy that doesn't need football and these neanderthals do so why would they jepordize their careers and testify against the club?

So now there is a difference between "gutsy" (which he was) and "mental toughness" (which he lacked)? I don't see much of a difference in the two, so I'm not sure we can debate this much further.

I doubt many dissatisfied workers will go consult coworkers and friends, then confront their their immediate supervisor, department head, location manager, and company president before saying "hell with it" and simply leaving a job they find intolerable. I would likely go several levels up, but probably would not have as a 23-24 year old. I certainly don't expect everyone to do it, or be considered mentally soft or weak, whatever. Of course, most would do that only if it was a job they were desperate to stay in, which Martin may not have been.

According to reports, he did "complain to the team." He did not just snap when eating spaghetti. The only report I saw was that for some time no one would eat with him. On the day in question he was openly invited to a table. As soon as he sat down, everyone else at the table got up and left, again leaving him alone. Clearly an orchestrated event if it happened that way. Perhaps funny if random, but not funny when done to someone already treated as an outcast.

I'm not sure that Martin wants anything, or intended to charge anything. After all, he simply left and said nothing publicly. He didn't involve the press or make demands of the team that we know of. It was only the prying of the press that brought out reports from team sources about how he had been treated. His side said nothing until he needed to defend himself in the media.

[Patler]

I think what Tony isn't seeing is the business side of all this. In likely every corporation there is a HR. Based on my own and others encounters with Inhuman Resources it always seems like they are looking out for the company and nothing else. I have yet to see where they took the side of what is right over what is right for the company. I think this situation is just like that. Dude went through the process and realized nothing was going to be done so he said fuck it.

The HR side of a football team, as far as the player is concerned, is the GM who is likely to dump you if you make his life difficult.

[woodbuck27]

The HR side of a football team, as far as the player is concerned, is the GM who is likely to dump you if you make his life difficult.

Sometimes the TRUTH sucks.

Sometimes people don`t even realize the TRUTH.

Miami`s QB Ryan Tannihill on NFL.Com late this afternoon in a press conference...thought that Rich Incognito was the BEST teammate and that he and Johnathan Martin were like brothers or best Buds. That this whole story is a real shock .... a surprize to him.

The plot thickens.

[Patler]

Has Martin started an epidemic?

John Moffit walked away from Denver during their bye:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...6pLid%3D402275:

Just doesn't want to play anymore, not even for the possibility of a Super Bowl.

[pbmax]

I blame Martin for not going to OTAs and being viewed as soft from the coaching staff and they task Icognito to toughen him up. I point to all the players that have played with Icognito that say they like the guy. I heard Cory Chavous say that today on the radio. I think Martin has a victim mentality and couldn't deal with the issues as a man and instead acted like a child. He did not bring it up to management, coaches, different team leadership besides Icognito but instead ran home to his parents and said the bad men were being mean.

I dont think Icognito did right by the way but this could and should have been taken care of behind the scenes.

I suspect the same locker room culture that was violated by Martin prevents you from hearing from his teammates about his difficulties with them.

There have been no shortage of opponents who think he is unprincipled. Not to mention two teams (probably three soon) cutting ties with him because of problems he causes or gets mixed up in.

[denverYooper]

Has Martin started an epidemic?

John Moffit walked away from Denver during their bye:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...6pLid%3D402275:

Just doesn't want to play anymore, not even for the possibility of a Super Bowl.

This happened at about the same time that the Martin story was breaking. It got a little play in local media but got totally overwhelmed by the other.

[pbmax]

So who was misunderstood more, Martin or Incognito? Tannehill was not the only Miami player to back this story.

Jeff Darlington @JeffDarlington 1h
Ryan Tannehill: "If you asked Jonathan Martin who his best friend is on this team two weeks ago, he'd say Richie Incognito."

Jeff Darlington @JeffDarlington 1h
Tannehill has strong words about the relationship between Incognito and Martin, noting Incognito was always first to be at Martin's side.


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"Issue is not with Jonathan Martin, issue is with the other person," David Shaw on #CFB247podcast. http://on.nfl.com/1dLyEnp