OFFICIAL "Fire Spray Paint Hare!" Thread

[bobblehead]

Fire roast that Slocum Hare!

And SPIT ROAST HIS WIFE!! Ok, off to the garbage can with this thread now.

[Rutnstrut]

IMO, mathews is the one huge sticking point when talking about moving to a 4-3

if you decide that he can't be effective in the 4-3, then you can't switch the entire defense because of it. we've just made too big of an investment in clay, things have to revolve around whats best for him at this poit. there is no trading or cutting him at this point. and you can't be paying the huge sums of money that we are paying him to be an above average 4-3 OLB or DE

It's ironic that people are ok with Clay possibly holding the whole D back. Because everyone preaches how this team is never about one player, if that player can't get with the program ship him off. BUT when that one player is Clay, everyone is like, no we have to build the D for him. If he's that good he will adapt, if not, trade his ass.

[Patler]

... Because everyone preaches how this team is never about one player, if that player can't get with the program ship him off. BUT when that one player is Clay, everyone is like, no we have to build the D for him. If he's that good he will adapt, if not, trade his ass.

No, not everyone. Trading Matthews would be easy enough. There would likely be a number of teams interested. If they make a change, and if Matthews doesn't adapt well to it, trade him. However, I suspect that most DCs would find a way to utilize him in whatever scheme they try to run.

[Joemailman]

There's probably no logical reason why Matthews couldn't be effective playing WOLB in a 4-3. Who knows? He might benefit from not having to line up every play against an OT that outweighs him by 70-80 pounds.

[pbmax]

Moving to a 4-3 would benefit one other player besides Raji and that would be Perry. He could compete to play RDE.

But its not the scheme. Its playing the scheme well that is hurting this team. Some of that is players who haven't learned how (McMillan), new at position (Jones, Neal, Jones), some who are limited (Jennings), some who are injured (Pickett) and some who are playing at times by their own set of rules (Raji).

[Fritz]

Lemme just say, I always did like an "up the field" defensive scheme better than this read-and-react crap. I wonder if the read-and-react leads to some passivity in style of play, leading to this sense that the defense is not a fightin' unit.

[Patler]

Lemme just say, I always did like an "up the field" defensive scheme better than this read-and-react crap. I wonder if the read-and-react leads to some passivity in style of play, leading to this sense that the defense is not a fightin' unit.

Some people are slow readers. Need speed reading classes/

[pbmax]

Lemme just say, I always did like an "up the field" defensive scheme better than this read-and-react crap. I wonder if the read-and-react leads to some passivity in style of play, leading to this sense that the defense is not a fightin' unit.

With this group of defenders, there is not enough speed or tackling to play any other way. The huge D line has to hold the gaps. Its designed to hold down the fort, not chase the fort down the road. Everyone wanted a team built for cold weather, well you got it and its underwhelming to say the least.

And also let me take this opportunity to crow that the running game hasn't won many games lately.

[Rutnstrut]

With this group of defenders, there is not enough speed or tackling to play any other way. The huge D line has to hold the gaps. Its designed to hold down the fort, not chase the fort down the road. Everyone wanted a team built for cold weather, well you got it and its underwhelming to say the least.

And also let me take this opportunity to crow that the running game hasn't won many games lately.

Except without the early success with the running game today it would probably have been a loss.

[denverYooper]

Except without the early success with the running game today it would probably have been a loss.

[pbmax]

Except without the early success with the running game today it would probably have been a loss.

Fair point. I won't begrudge the running game in this game. I just hope the passing game can comes back online, full-time, soon. Flynn or Rodgers.

[Fritz]

With this group of defenders, there is not enough speed or tackling to play any other way. The huge D line has to hold the gaps. Its designed to hold down the fort, not chase the fort down the road. Everyone wanted a team built for cold weather, well you got it and its underwhelming to say the least.

And also let me take this opportunity to crow that the running game hasn't won many games lately.

About the running game...I know, I know. But I've admitted in the past I'm a relic from another age in that regard.

And in that same vein, being a relic, I still like a 4-3 that plays an aggressive style and has a front four that gets after the QB.

But again, that doesn't mean I'm right. It just means that's what I am comfortable with.

[George Cumby]

Do it. Now.

[Rutnstrut]

About the running game...I know, I know. But I've admitted in the past I'm a relic from another age in that regard.

And in that same vein, being a relic, I still like a 4-3 that plays an aggressive style and has a front four that gets after the QB.

But again, that doesn't mean I'm right. It just means that's what I am comfortable with.

For what it's worth, I'm not that old (42) and I like old school football also.

[Joemailman]

Packers have given up 400 points. Most since 1986 when they gave up 418.