Mike Mccarthy is the gretest coach ever

[bobblehead]

Really? I seem to recall Thompson giving birth to 4-12, 6-10, 8-8 and this season.

Under the imposing regime of Wolf and Sherman, the Packer did NOT experience a single losing season (Wolf was hired in November of '91; that season doesn't count). And then along came the Polar Bear.

Only 1 GM in NFL history made the playoffs ever year he was GM with minimum of 4 full seasons. Care to name that GM?

Wasn't TT handling player procurement for that GM??

[bobblehead]

I'm in my 40's so I did not witness Vince
I'd tak Hoody Genius and then Jimmy Johnson as the best I've witnessed
I'm glad Jerry Jones ego would not allow him to co-exist with Jimmy Johnson
I HATE Dallas but iff JJ had stayed I think they would have won about 3-4 more SB's in Dallas

Parcells took over 4 losing programs. 2 of them to superbowls, 1 to AFCC, and one back to the playoffs before he couldn't stand Jerrah anymore. I'll take Parcells. How many different teams (much less QB's) did BB or JJ take to the big game?

[Rutnstrut]

TT & MM failed why? Because Wallace got hurt, or because their 3rd and 4th options at QB haven't been able to get a win?

Is it fair to condemn their selection of Wallace just because of the Bears game?

What on earth are you smoking/injecting that you think Wallace would have been even a somewhat serviceable backup? The man couldn't even manage to not get hurt on a non contact play. The fact that Wallace was an option for them, shows that MM&TT failed miserably.

[Patler]

What on earth are you smoking/injecting that you think Wallace would have been even a somewhat serviceable backup? The man couldn't even manage to not get hurt on a non contact play. The fact that Wallace was an option for them, shows that MM&TT failed miserably.

You do realize (I hope) that non-contact injuries are not at all uncommon in the NFL. By your logic, MM & TT must have failed miserably in keeping Mike McKenzie around for another year, because he, too, couldn't even manage to not get hurt on a non-contact play.

At the time he was signed, I thought Wallace was a good choice for a backup. Experienced in the league, smart, a little running ability. At least some others thought the same:

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php...Seneca-Wallace


including the all-knowing Bob McGinn:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packe...230373561.html


Now knowing the outcome, I will not go back and pretend that I "knew" it ahead of time, or criticize others for not knowing it either. I will judge them only on the facts in front of them at the time.

[Fritz]

What on earth are you smoking/injecting that you think Wallace would have been even a somewhat serviceable backup? The man couldn't even manage to not get hurt on a non contact play. The fact that Wallace was an option for them, shows that MM&TT failed miserably.

Okay, then tell us all, with the benefit of hindsight, who you'd have gotten for a Packer backup during last offseason. Tell us what it would've taken to get that guy, including a reality-based contract or draft picks. And tell us how that person would've fit into the current salary cap situation, including the impact of trying to re-sign guys like Shields, Jones, and Raji next year.

Go ahead. Enlighten us.

[bobblehead]

What on earth are you smoking/injecting that you think Wallace would have been even a somewhat serviceable backup? The man couldn't even manage to not get hurt on a non contact play. The fact that Wallace was an option for them, shows that MM&TT failed miserably.

What makes you so sure he wouldn't have?

[Zool]

This thread is what's wrong with some people. Everything is either the best or the worst. Stop fucking complaint about everything for fucks sake.

[woodbuck27]

This thread is what's wrong with some people. Everything is either the best or the worst. Stop fucking complaint about everything for fucks sake.

OK..then we'll simply discuss what's on for Sunday supper or what beer we're enjoying today.

What the weather is like wherever we live.

What we enjoyed on TV last night.

Zool get real man.

This is a football forum and we discuss football here and anything about football is fair game.

If your post wasn't serious ignore my post.

[denverYooper]

[pbmax]

Ask TT.

TT has answered the question. No backup QB is worth that money if it costs you a core player you wish to keep.

So who would you give up for the backup QB? Williams? Raji? Pickett?

[run pMc]

They stuck with Harrell too long. Coleman needed more time and they couldn't afford that luxury. Basically, they didn't have a backup plan to the backup plan and Vince Young was resulting desperation move. Getting Wallace was an upgrade, and Tolzien has shown he's worth keeping and developing IMO. Flynn was a big get considering Wallace also got hurt. From a backup QB standpoint, they made some mistakes but have recovered about as well as can be done. I agree with Fritz that the defense has been a bigger letdown -- they are much healthier on that side than on offense, and they have given up way too many yards/points.

Some of this can be on M3 and the staff as well -- there isn't a simple, black-and-white answer. The team wins/succeeds as one organization. Right now they aren't succeeding and it's because the defense can't stop anyone.

Parcells and Jimmy aren't unretiring to coach; Holmgren's not coming back either. M3 isn't an "elite" coach IMO -- I think he's pretty good M-Sa; the in-game stuff on Sundays he's so-so with. It's true the Packers could do better, but they could also do a lot worse. It wouldn't be easy to find an upgrade at HC. He won a SB 2.5 seasons ago...I'm not ready to turn on him with pitchforks and torches just yet.

[woodbuck27]

TT has answered the question. No backup QB is worth that money if it costs you a core player you wish to keep.

So who would you give up for the backup QB? Williams? Raji? Pickett?

Any and all of them.

Williams game has deteriorated. Raji is invisible or already left the building. Pickett (AGE).

[Rutnstrut]

Okay, then tell us all, with the benefit of hindsight, who you'd have gotten for a Packer backup during last offseason. Tell us what it would've taken to get that guy, including a reality-based contract or draft picks. And tell us how that person would've fit into the current salary cap situation, including the impact of trying to re-sign guys like Shields, Jones, and Raji next year.

Go ahead. Enlighten us.

Well one it's not my job, and Raji can go, he's a useless POS. The fact that Wallace was even an option shows a major fail with this.

[woodbuck27]

OK we got a win...first one in six tries to move our record to 6-6-1. We are now trailing the LIONS by 1/2 game.

I know they must play the Ravens @ Home next week 15 on MNF and that won't be easy.

After that it's GIANTS @ LIONS in week 16 and LIONS on the road @ Vikings. GO Vikings !

Not to forget da Bears. We'll be pulling for the Boys to defeat da bears in Chicago tomorrow night on MNF.

Later in their schedule they are @ BROWNS in Week 15 @ Eagles in week 16 ( back to back road games is never great) and in Week 17 they're entertaining us @ home in the Windy City.

Loads of excitement for MM and company ahead.

Time and hard work to pull this season out yet.

Anyone? How did MM make out in your view today?

GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

Any and all of them.

Williams game has deteriorated. Raji is invisible or already left the building. Pickett (AGE).

So for the sake of a backup QB you shorten the window in which the team can win by eschewing your own FA. That's tremendously self-defeating. One healthy season by your starter and its a waste of money.