Were the Packers too quick pulling the trigger on Ross?

[Patler]

I think this could be an interesting discussion:

http://www.packersnews.com/article/2...t-Jeremy-Ross-

I think, no, they were not too quick.

A former team mate said he is very insecure. Confidence is a real hurdle for him.
GB did show him some confidence, staying with him after several miscues this season.
He had critical mistakes and was costing games.
Sometimes a guy needs a fresh start. I think Ross was one.

Too bad. I had gotten excited about him in 2012. Bigger than you think, strong with good speed.

[rdanomly]

To me it is another piece of evidence in the long running case for ditching Slocum. Another special teamer that has done well after leaving Green Bay...

[Patler]

To me it is another piece of evidence in the long running case for ditching Slocum. Another special teamer that has done well after leaving Green Bay...

That, and the fact that a number of return guys have shown ability when first used, then become mundane with more coaching. Clearly the case with Ross, and I think has been with Hyde a bit too. I had the same feeling with Cobb, although I haven't checked the stats to see if they support the feelings I have had watching him. Franklin was reputed to have real ability as a return guy, but really bumbled and bungled his way.

Just a thought with no factual support at all, but could it be that Slocum is to regimented in what he coaches? Too much "if this, than that..." without allowing natural, instinctive runners to act on their instincts?

[pittstang5]

Is it Ross or is it the blocking. I have no idea, but it's probably a little bit of both. Ross's fumbling didn't help him, but when he had good blocking he was hard to beat.

[Bossman641]

I think this could be an interesting discussion:

http://www.packersnews.com/article/2...t-Jeremy-Ross-

I think, no, they were not too quick.

A former team mate said he is very insecure. Confidence is a real hurdle for him.
GB did show him some confidence, staying with him after several miscues this season.
He had critical mistakes and was costing games.
Sometimes a guy needs a fresh start. I think Ross was one.

Too bad. I had gotten excited about him in 2012. Bigger than you think, strong with good speed.

Agreed, by the end of his time here you could see he had no confidence and was simply trying to not screw up. The real question is what caused him to lose confidence.

[MadScientist]

Agreed, by the end of his time here you could see he had no confidence and was simply trying to not screw up. The real question is what caused him to lose confidence.

Probably critical fumbles and bad decisions to bring the ball out of the end zone. He was afraid of screwing up and getting cut because he had screwed up several times and was on the verge of being cut.

[pbmax]

Is it Ross or is it the blocking. I have no idea, but it's probably a little bit of both. Ross's fumbling didn't help him, but when he had good blocking he was hard to beat.

There is no doubt the Packer blocking wasn't helping, but he looked like a revelation last year before the 49er muff with the same blocking.

Someone yesterday mentioned Trindon Holliday (no idea on spelling) now with the Broncos. Made his previous team look dumb for cutting him until recently when his ball security issues resurfaced.

Ross seemed tentative all preseason and up through the Bengals game. His roster problem was that he didn't have a fit on offense (they clearly preferred Boykin as the 4th WR) and so if he was going to sit as a returner, he as just taking up a spot.

Slocum tries to brainiac his Special Teams, recall his first year when a fellow ST coach said he had never seen some of the schemes Slocum was trying to run and that they did not appear sound. He dialed it back after that year but McCarthy takes that part of the game plan seriously evidenced by his lack of fear in calling onside kicks and fake punts and FGs. Not sure the schematic approach helped Ross or not. He needed a skill coach, which is what I thought Morton was supposed to do.

[Fritz]

Agreed, by the end of his time here you could see he had no confidence and was simply trying to not screw up. The real question is what caused him to lose confidence.

He started reading Packerrats after the San Francisco playoff game last year.

[bobblehead]

Just wait til week 17 when ross fumbles twice in the redzone and we win the division because of it.

[Patler]

Just wait til week 17 when ross fumbles twice in the redzone and we win the division because of it.

That's kind of my thinking. He gave no indication of trouble last year until the spotlight was very bright against SF. With the spotlight still bright this year due to added scrutiny because of last year, he looked completely uncomfortable all pre-season, and wouldn't have made the team if anyone had shown any return ability at all. The reinforcement from making the team didn't help his confidence as one would have thought it might. Once he got to Detroit, the pressure was off because he was unknown. But, can you trust him when the lights get bright again? When he eventually makes a mistake, will he crumble?

[Cheesehead Craig]

There's no pressure on him in Detroit because it's expected that at some point, everyone will screw up. It's like their team motto or something.

[Tony Oday]

No. He lost games for the Pack.

[denverYooper]

That's kind of my thinking. He gave no indication of trouble last year until the spotlight was very bright against SF. With the spotlight still bright this year due to added scrutiny because of last year, he looked completely uncomfortable all pre-season, and wouldn't have made the team if anyone had shown any return ability at all. The reinforcement from making the team didn't help his confidence as one would have thought it might. Once he got to Detroit, the pressure was off because he was unknown. But, can you trust him when the lights get bright again? When he eventually makes a mistake, will he crumble?

These are serious considerations for a team like the Packers, who have been in these situations a lot more than the Lions .

[gbgary]

in retrospect yes...but he was sucking so no. he'll start sucking for det at some point too.

[woodbuck27]

That's kind of my thinking. He gave no indication of trouble last year until the spotlight was very bright against SF. With the spotlight still bright this year due to added scrutiny because of last year, he looked completely uncomfortable all pre-season, and wouldn't have made the team if anyone had shown any return ability at all. The reinforcement from making the team didn't help his confidence as one would have thought it might. Once he got to Detroit, the pressure was off because he was unknown. But, can you trust him when the lights get bright again? When he eventually makes a mistake, will he crumble?

What is wrong with you here Patler? It's stuff like this that makes me question is there any sense of goodness in Packer fans . I end that sentence with a period and not a question mark.

I don't want to seem overly harsh here ... rather to make this forum pause >>> think.

TT did what he thought he had to do to trim and or strengthen his roster. He cut Jeremy Ross. That's done and he lives with it. Jeremy Ross certainly lived with that disappointment. It seems to be working out for him now in Detroit.

Now you the Packer fan cannot simply watch this young man's efforts in Detroit and enjoy that as a football fan. No ! You've got to analyze and dissect it all and Jeremy Ross to the point of almost indecency. Why not strip him of his clothes too Patler?

It's crap like this that makes me wonder how a Packer fan can really expect his/her team to go far in the NFL. I'm talking karma here. I'm talking a better 'live and let live' adopted attitude. I'm talking the enjoyment overall that any Packer fan can secure by simply loving the game of football and all that encompasses.

We might agree that Jeremy Ross was lacking confidence in Green Bay. We might assess that he was having some difficulty with his coaching? We don't really know it all. Whatever reason we assess for him now being a Detroit Lion? Do we as Packer fans need to riduicule and predict a downfall for this young man? I believe as Packer fans we might adopt a better way. Simply enjoy the same talent that Ted Thompson believed he saw in Jeremy Ross when he was signed to be a Green Bay Packer?

I believe with that as human beings we gain a win-win.

By the way. Jeremy Ross sure looks good as a ST tackler as well as a kick and punt returner. He has talent as a backup WR as well. This young man has definite athleticism and physical talents. That's what Ted Thompson saw once and we can see the same now as his career continues. Enjoy his talents as a purer football fan.

The alternative >>> simply hate >>> and go on being the fans you need to be. After all one's success is often predicated on another's failure.

GO PACK GO !