Official 49er Playoff Week Discussion Thread

[pbmax]

Here is Chris Brown (smart football) sticking up for McCarthy's version of the Lombardi sweep.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/87688/lombardi-sweep-redux-how-one-play-and-one-player-can-help-the-packers-this-postseason

[pbmax]

With regard to #1, I think the middle has settled down as a problem, but the solution might be as bad as the original problem.

Raji, Picket and the ILBs have tightened down the middle so its bleeding less slowly. But now, similar to last year, they are leaking on runs around the tackle, usually on 2nd moves. I thought I read this someone in one of the previews but cannot find it now, so its possible I am hallucinating, but I think the Packers have begun to uniforming pinch the middle and leave the ends unguarded.

[woodbuck27]

An interesting discussion.

Thanks Packer fans.

[mraynrand]

With regard to #1, I think the middle has settled down as a problem, but the solution might be as bad as the original problem..... I thought I read this someone in one of the previews but cannot find it now, so its possible I am hallucinating, but I think the Packers have begun to uniforming pinch the middle and leave the ends unguarded.

Sounds like a perfect setup for Kap to run wild around the edges again. Or their quicker RB, whatshisname....

[wist43]

Jones can rush or be in coverage, zone or man. He's not your 5th DB but he gives you options BJ Raji in a zone blitz doesn't.

Capers is playing match ups and tendencies. But teams are running on that front when they see it and its a close call. You can make it bigger, but then they are simply going to pass.

You are going to go heavy against three wides and not have your best pass protection on the field.

Note: This may not be a bad plan versus either the 49ers or Seahawks. It would be death against the Saints or Broncos.

Capers does need to adjust the scheme to the healthy talent, but 3-3 doesn't seem like the key adjustment. Might be situationally.

Max, the point is, and as Bobble tried to help me point out - that we're getting run over on run/pass downs.

If you're in Capers 2-4, you essentially have only 4 players in the box. Raji and Pickett (usually), and Jones and Hawk (usually). Jones is useless againt the run. Raji doesn't 2-gap well and consistently gets turned on double teams, sometimes when only being single blocked; and Hawk can't get off a block to save his life.

That's a recipe for giving up 7-15 yd runs - and that's exactly what we've seen against the 2-4 front.

If you have B. Jones on the field, you essentially have a nickel and 1/2. Who's your 5th DB?? Hyde?? So in Capers 2-4 you already have 3 corners on the field and 2 safeties.

Williams, Shields, Burnett, Jennings and Hyde.

That isn't enough DB's to cover 3 WR's?? Throw in B. Jones who is useless as a pass rusher and against the run. That's 5 1/2 players committed to the pass, when you are in a run/pass situation.

Throw on top of that, that you are as often as not rushing your ends upfield and taking them out of run support, that doesn't leave you much to defend the run with, does it??

The 2-4 may be defensible on some level, in some down-distance-game situations, but it is not defensible the way Capers runs it.

We're just never going to agree on this. You seem to think Capers is doing the best he can with what he has, i.e. you seem content with the results he is getting out of this formation.

Me?? Every time I see him come out in that idiotic formation it ramps my blood pressure up and I have to go play kitchen with my daughter until the offense comes back on the field.

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Williams, Shields, Burnett, Jennings and Hyde.

That isn't enough DB's to cover 3 WR's??

obviously not because we continue to see other teams WR's running wide open all over the field

there was one catch in the bears game where a bear caught the ball and there were no packer players within the picture, and the camera was zoomed out so far that you could see 20 yards in every direction. and that wasn't even the play where shields let his guy run right past him thinking he had safety help while no safety was paying attention

[wist43]

The one thing in Capers defense re: miscommunications is the article on JS the other day. He is stuck with a lot of young guys, and a lot of injuries, and that leads to blown assignments.

Yeah, I read that article... it is exactly why I've always wanted TT to be at least a bit player on the FA market. Bring in a savvy vet for a few years here and there. He hit the jackpot with Woodson - I don't think we go to that SB without Woodson.

But he's done nothing since that first year. We are perpetually one of the youngest teams in the league, and likely always will be under TT. That comes at a cost, and it's always been one of my chief criticisms of TT. He's always building for tomorrow - today doesn't matter. We got lucky and won a SB, that has afforded TT a lot of slack, but building you team exclusively one way, to the exclusion of any other avenue is narrowminded and comes with its own set of problems - problems that we see result in miscommunication on the field far too often.

I don't want to get rid of TT or MM, but I absolutely do want to dump Capers. TT does need to adjust his approach though - we need some veteran leadership back in that secondary, or this nonsense is just going to keep on year and year.

[wist43]

obviously not because we continue to see other teams WR's running wide open all over the field

Maybe we can go to the Green Bay Nickel?? 5 DL, 5 LB, 5 DB's??

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Maybe we can go to the Green Bay Nickel?? 5 DL, 5 LB, 5 DB's??

i'm wondering if we shouldn't just put 2 secondary players on the field and put 9 in the box. we're gonna let guys run around wide open anyways, why waste players?

5-4-2 defense or 4-5-2

[Bossman641]

Sounds like a perfect setup for Kap to run wild around the edges again. Or their quicker RB, whatshisname....

My biggest fear this game

[Bretsky]

Yeah, I read that article... it is exactly why I've always wanted TT to be at least a bit player on the FA market. Bring in a savvy vet for a few years here and there. He hit the jackpot with Woodson - I don't think we go to that SB without Woodson.

But he's done nothing since that first year. We are perpetually one of the youngest teams in the league, and likely always will be under TT. That comes at a cost, and it's always been one of my chief criticisms of TT. He's always building for tomorrow - today doesn't matter. We got lucky and won a SB, that has afforded TT a lot of slack, but building you team exclusively one way, to the exclusion of any other avenue is narrowminded and comes with its own set of problems - problems that we see result in miscommunication on the field far too often.

I don't want to get rid of TT or MM, but I absolutely do want to dump Capers. TT does need to adjust his approach though - we need some veteran leadership back in that secondary, or this nonsense is just going to keep on year and year.

How awesme would a Eugene Robinson type be back there to lead and help Burnett ?

[deake]

With regard to #1, I think the middle has settled down as a problem, but the solution might be as bad as the original problem.

Raji, Picket and the ILBs have tightened down the middle so its bleeding less slowly. But now, similar to last year, they are leaking on runs around the tackle, usually on 2nd moves. I thought I read this someone in one of the previews but cannot find it now, so its possible I am hallucinating, but I think the Packers have begun to uniforming pinch the middle and leave the ends unguarded.

Taking another look at the Bears game, it didn’t seem like they were pinching down as much as the OLBs were containing or setting the edge out too far, leaving an alley for the backs to run through. If the DL were pinching down or the ILBs were setting up too far out, shouldn’t the ILBs fill that hole?

[woodbuck27]

Taking another look at the Bears game, it didn’t seem like they were pinching down as much as the OLBs were containing or setting the edge out too far, leaving an alley for the backs to run through. If the DL were pinching down or the ILBs were setting up too far out, shouldn’t the ILBs fill that hole?

Good observation.

wist43 or pbmax (someone else here) will comment further on that.

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How awesme would a Eugene Robinson type be back there to lead and help Burnett ?

exactly what i want

without the hookers or coke of course, unless he brings enough to share

[Bretsky]

exactly what i want

without the hookers or coke of course, unless he brings enough to share

I may get mocked for this...........but it got me thinking........WHO could have been this yrs Eugene Robinson


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