Official 49er Playoff Week Discussion Thread

[woodbuck27]

Hey, keep this in the gay player thread!

**Do we have a 'Gay player thread'?

Where's that thread located on Packerrats?

** If so ...Packerrats is an obvious trend setting NFL Team Board. One once again that I'm so proud to be a member of.

[wist43]

That would be great if any of the one-gapping linemen could actually generate pass rush. Otherwise, all Kap has to do is threaten run and wait for a receiver to clear.

You're just being contrarian now - if those 1-gap DL can't generate pass rush with 3 of them on the field, they certainly couldn't with 2 on the field, could they??

You can't pan the 3-3 idea with this argument b/c 1) you would have 2 1-gap players on the field anyway, 2) the third 1-gap DL would be replaced with a non-pass rushing LB, i.e. a player that wouldn't be generating any pass rush anyway.

By that argument you're conceding that we can't possibly generate any pressure?? I don't accept that - I think we have players that can be disruptive up front, if they are used properly.

Raji was the 9th pick in the draft. His strength was his quickness off the snap and his ability to penetrate. The Packers drafted him and then promptly had him play exactly not that way. He's wasted as a 2-gap player, and he's worn down as a result. Daniels is another 1-gap disrupter, so is D. Jones.

Those are 3 guys right there, that if used properly, and kept fresh for that purpose, could be very disruptive in multiple, odd-man front subpackages. Capers doesn't use them that way though, does he??

[bobblehead]

You're just being contrarian now - if those 1-gap DL can't generate pass rush with 3 of them on the field, they certainly couldn't with 2 on the field, could they??

You can't pan the 3-3 idea with this argument b/c 1) you would have 2 1-gap players on the field anyway, 2) the third 1-gap DL would be replaced with a non-pass rushing LB, i.e. a player that wouldn't be generating any pass rush anyway.

By that argument you're conceding that we can't possibly generate any pressure?? I don't accept that - I think we have players that can be disruptive up front, if they are used properly.

Raji was the 9th pick in the draft. His strength was his quickness off the snap and his ability to penetrate. The Packers drafted him and then promptly had him play exactly not that way. He's wasted as a 2-gap player, and he's worn down as a result. Daniels is another 1-gap disrupter, so is D. Jones.

Those are 3 guys right there, that if used properly, and kept fresh for that purpose, could be very disruptive in multiple, odd-man front subpackages. Capers doesn't use them that way though, does he??

To top it off, if your 1 gap players are penetrating (which is the goal) then they are disrupting the run as well. If you had 2 Picketts in his prime (which is close to healthy pickett and jolley I guess) you can get away with those 2 guys and still being tough on the run. You are damn near conceding any pass rush out of them though.

[woodbuck27]

To top it off, if your 1 gap players are penetrating (which is the goal) then they are disrupting the run as well. If you had 2 Picketts in his prime (which is close to healthy pickett and jolley I guess) you can get away with those 2 guys and still being tough on the run. You are damn near conceding any pass rush out of them though.

The team is in trouble here.

This upcoming game is IMO headed for a shoot out scheme on offense.

It will come down to the Packers decidedly winning the battle of the clock again by a wide margin as the Packers did Vs the Bears.

Packers TOP: 35:09 ... VS... Bears TOP 24:51

It'll come down to analysis of what went right or wrong here:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/play-by-play/20131229003/green-bay-packers--chicago-bears

It'll come down to realistic preparation in every regard.

It's going to be a game played in harsh/brutal conditions.

Just like last week I can't wait to see a victory for 'the Good Guys'. The Green Bay Packers defeat the San Francisco 49ers.

That will happen Packerrats.

Count on that result. A GREEN BAY PACKER VICTORY.

GO PACKERS...GO PACK GO !

[pbmax]

You're just being contrarian now - if those 1-gap DL can't generate pass rush with 3 of them on the field, they certainly couldn't with 2 on the field, could they??

No. But with one less on the field, I can put the specialist pass rushing OLB on the field. Which is the point of the nickel.

This simply comes down to worst case scenario: leak run yards or let pass plays break for big gains. Choose your poison. If the Packers were a good tackling team at safety, I would be more sanguine about the pass plays.

Bobble point about playing the run while jetting upfield is a very interesting point. You can disrupt a run game that way. You can also have a good back go for 200 against you because he is patient and waits for you to pass by. Its also how Kapernick got his first 80 yards in the playoff game. As wist has pointed out, there is some talent in the smaller D lineman so I could be convinced about this option in the 2-4 rather than for 3-3

[woodbuck27]

No. But with one less on the field, I can put the specialist pass rushing OLB on the field. Which is the point of the nickel.

This simply comes down to worst case scenario: leak run yards or let pass plays break for big gains. Choose your poison. If the Packers were a good tackling team at safety, I would be more sanguine about the pass plays.

Bobble point about playing the run while jetting upfield is a very interesting point. You can disrupt a run game that way. You can also have a good back go for 200 against you because he is patient and waits for you to pass by. Its also how Kapernick got his first 80 yards in the playoff game. As wist has pointed out, there is some talent in the smaller D lineman so I could be convinced about this option in the 2-4 rather than for 3-3

Then we simply need more players on 'D' ie LBers and Safety's that play 'Heads Up' ball.

I hate it when a LBer goes streaking by a RB with the ball corralled in his arms. Remember when it used to be so simple:

1) Who's got the ball?

2) Get the guy with the ball on his ass ASAP.

[denverYooper]

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/66276430/

Mike McCarthy will have played Jim Harbaugh's patsy for 358 days by kickoff on Sunday. McCarthy has been Charlie Brown; Harbaugh has been Lucy holding for a PAT. McCarthy and his staff have been the suckers at the poker table with a flashing billboard of a tell, always one move behind Harbaugh, the sharpie with a visor. The Packers have fallen for every feint, and their success on Sunday does not rest on stopping Colin Kaepernick, but on stopping the long con.

[Packers4Glory]

I'm quite concerned with Vernon Davis vs our LB corps. I see guys like him run free over the middle way too often.

GB should have won vs SF this yr, but 2 of these 3 times GB has been decimated with injuries. When you have idiots like Walden getting torched on every play giving up contain on the outside, you're going to get your ass handed to you.

[woodbuck27]

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/66276430/

"Rodgers can put up 28 points against the 49ers defense, but he cannot help his defense keep the 49ers under 30. He can only hope that his teammates and ( Edit woodbuck27: coaches ) stop reacting to what the 49ers did last time and start acting on what they are doing now.

The Packers need to get their classic rock albums out and play "Won't Get Fooled Again" on high rotation before kickoff. Otherwise, the 49ers will simply get to ask "Who's Next?" ..." Mike Tanier


Mike Tanier's prediction:

49ers 30, Packers 27

Not bad as it should be a close outcome; but Packerrats think:

The Green Bay Packers on top by a TD!

I'm not so bold as to predict the exact score.

GO PACKERS...GO PACK GO !

[mraynrand]

I'm quite concerned with Vernon Davis vs our LB corps. I see guys like him run free over the middle way too often.

I think the key for Davis may lie in Bush. Bush could be the key for short stuff to Davis and Boldin in the middle; would like to see him be physical with these guys, like he was with Jeffery and Bennett last week. he could also help the safeties by giving Davis a shot near the line and throwing him off a bit. But VD and Boldin made some great catches in the Sept. game, many against McMillian. Hopefully the Packers do a better job of coverage and Kap continues to struggle with his accuracy. (Some of the big receiving plays came against a soft run-wary zone, so much will depend on how scared Packers are of the run, and how many risks they take running more man coverage, which is their best pass defense)

[Packers4Glory]

I think the key for Davis may lie in Bush. Bush could be the key for short stuff to Davis and Boldin in the middle; would like to see him be physical with these guys, like he was with Jeffery and Bennett last week. he could also help the safeties by giving Davis a shot near the line and throwing him off a bit. But VD and Boldin made some great catches in the Sept. game, many against McMillian. Hopefully the Packers do a better job of coverage and Kap continues to struggle with his accuracy. (Some of the big receiving plays came against a soft run-wary zone, so much will depend on how scared Packers are of the run, and how many risks they take running more man coverage, which is their best pass defense)

ugh at any key to the defense being Bush. But after reading the Capers excuse article he's got a lot of experience so at least he might be assignment sure. I'll take that over ability at this point.

[woodbuck27]

I think the key for Davis may lie in Bush. Bush could be the key for short stuff to Davis and Boldin in the middle; would like to see him be physical with these guys, like he was with Jeffery and Bennett last week. he could also help the safeties by giving Davis a shot near the line and throwing him off a bit. But VD and Boldin made some great catches in the Sept. game, many against McMillian. Hopefully the Packers do a better job of coverage and Kap continues to struggle with his accuracy. (Some of the big receiving plays came against a soft run-wary zone, so much will depend on how scared Packers are of the run, and how many risks they take running more man coverage, which is their best pass defense)

Of late these two ( V. Davis and A. Boldin) have been the go to threats through the air.

A. Boldin has become the same as he was with RE: THE RAVENS last year and must be contained.

I can't wait to see this game. About 54 Hrs and 24 Mins to go !

[denverYooper]

Of late these two ( V. Davis and A. Boldin) have been the go to threats through the air.

A. Boldin has become the same as he was with RE: THE RAVENS last year and must be contained.

I can't wait to see this game. About 54 Hrs and 24 Mins to go !

It will be interesting to see how much the cold affects the 49ers passing game, from both ends. This is one area where Green Bay will gain a slight advantage in preparing outside -- that football is going to be a rock. As Tanier mentioned, Green Bay's defense has been snookered by the 49ers ability to con them into preparing for one facet of their offense while throwing another at them. If the cold weather can reduce the number of facets and mute San Fransisco's passing game (or help with some loose balls/INTs) then that's to Green Bay's advantage, as long as they don't let the 9ers run for 300 again. I think the weather and opponent will allow the Packers to play some of their better tacklers (Hyde/Bush/Richardson) and that should help. Will it be enough?

[pbmax]

My concern is Crabtree. Packer spent time doubling Davis in the last three games with LB in trail and safety over the top. You could double Boldin similarly unless he goes deep.

Crabtree could be a handful to man up on if healthy. I hope he hates the cold.

[bobblehead]

No. But with one less on the field, I can put the specialist pass rushing OLB on the field. Which is the point of the nickel.

This simply comes down to worst case scenario: leak run yards or let pass plays break for big gains. Choose your poison. If the Packers were a good tackling team at safety, I would be more sanguine about the pass plays.

Bobble point about playing the run while jetting upfield is a very interesting point. You can disrupt a run game that way. You can also have a good back go for 200 against you because he is patient and waits for you to pass by. Its also how Kapernick got his first 80 yards in the playoff game. As wist has pointed out, there is some talent in the smaller D lineman so I could be convinced about this option in the 2-4 rather than for 3-3

The point you make is valid, especially with our sorry LB's and DB's. They tackle and fill so badly that said patient back can wait for the opening and count on beating the next level. As for the Kapernick point, its not the same. Its not a designed running play. Any time you can get a QB to forgo a pass, its a good thing. You do, however, have to contain him once he starts running.