M3 Season-Ending Presser

[woodbuck27]

I guess I don't understand what MM "owes" us as fans. He reports to TT and that is all.

That MM doesn't go into specifics or is firing anyone today is the action of a good coach.

MM and TT will sit down and evaluate every game, every player and every coach. To expect to have all of that done in 3 days after the season is ridiculous.

In a few weeks expect that announcements on the coaching staff will be made.

" That MM doesn't go into specifics or is firing anyone today is the action of a good coach." ThunderDan


Hello ... This isn't satire ... it's seriously me.

I'll at least try to offer "YOU" something enlightening, and at the same time add the Devils Advocate position and your view Thunderdan.

How do you know what the action of a good coach is over anyone else at Packerrats?

I ask that because it's too obvious I have to disagree, and do so in specific terms related to the fact I pay attention to what's going on and the Green Bay Packers. I do so with all that's available to me in regards to the use of my senses and common sense in terms of what's a proper reaction on behalf of the Green Bay Packer Management. A proper reaction to an extremely disappointing season and another one and out in the playoffs.

Is that acceptable to you?

It's not so to the Packer players that busted their ass's; nor to any sensible Packer fan that's even barely keeping up.

Now just in case your missing it. Maybe your a trained "YES" man and such often miss a lot.

The Green Bay Packers are in a mess and have been increasingly bad since the end of the 2011 season. I was informed by MM today in his presser that looking at the Stat's is frowned upon and "for LOSERS".

Memo to self: Why do I go there so often?

No MM doesn't want Packer fans to be even reasonably informed. It's better if we simply watch Packer games and remain loyal fans with our tongues hanging out like rapid dogs.

How do you perceive the Packers are doing since well over the last three seasons in terms of all that matters or playoff wins?

A good barometer of that would be the Packers playoff record being 1W-3L - 2011-13.

That's a really disappointing 'LOSING' % 0f 0.250. That's NOT performance.

Now that was "my best wake UP Call ! For you", ThunderDan.

Hasn't MM been paying attention? I ask that in reference to the quality of his Coach's.

It seems to me from his presser that he certainly knows where he's going with his coaching staff. Mike McCarthy is looking after his own. What else has management ever done? Is this any great revelation? I know that you know the answer to that question. Why? It's all in your attitude and views. It comes from a perspective of keen observation.

I'm a Packer fan that's not as I perceive you as being or not from your cut of cloth.

I come from down to earth, solid with their hands in the dirt shit kickers, and Irish military to farmer stock as Pioneers in New Brunswick Canada. People that worked their ass off for everything they got, that was real and beautiful in my estimation. Why? Because it was gained with honest means and intent.

To lose in the life I come from is seriously unacceptable. It has to be avoided at all costs because there is little in reserve in terms of re-building a life. It's a one shot all in deal every fricken year ThunderDan. It doesn't get done with half efforts or an expectation of partial wins. It's always about winning and faith in all that's right that rewards 'just that'. NOTHING ELSE matters.

For the past three season the Green Bay Packers have short changed this Packer fan. After all that we went through this season Mike McCarthy gets an F- for his Press Conference performance. He sucks the empty cob on this day. His performance waa arrogant and overall mundane/stupid. He obviously wasn't prepared and he'll catch flack for that lack of performance as he so self righteously deserves.

So there it is ThunderDan and you cannot arm yourself "with Dick ALL" to refute my position.

[MadScientist]

For reference, Bob Sanders was canned on 1/4/09, the Packers final game that season was 12/28/08.

Here's an article about MM's post 2008 presser, less than a week before he fired most of the defensive coaches. This was coming off a 6-10 season.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/36961744.html

To me he was more critical in 08, but not much. This year some of the comments sounded a little more player critical, but I wouldn't say it was obvious from the presser that drastic changes were coming.

He also said this about the coaches after the firing:

We focused very hard on hiring quality people, good teachers, and men that demand," he said. "On a personal side of it, I think we did an excellent job with the quality of people we have on our staff. That's definitely always tough if you go in that direction.

So unless MM is really pissed about some sort of action that crosses the line, I would not expect him to say anything but good things about coaches when asked. And lets face it, not saying bad things publicly about the people you fire helps in hiring the next guy.

[falco]

So there it is ThunderDan and you cannot arm yourself "with Dick ALL" to refute my position.

I legit want to know, is this a persona you are putting on? Or are you the real deal?

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Nick Saban says "MM is very committed to Dom Capers"

Yup, what I was afraid of. So we have to hope MM knows something that we don't in regard to player changes, or other staff changes, or whatever. Otherwise, this Dom Capers experiment could go on for a very long time, always some excuse at end of year on why the defense sucked so bad.

[pbmax]

when M3 wanted to keep sanders because he thought he was a top tier coach, but TT knew the guy was shit and forced M3 to fire him?

Source? The only person reporting how it went down (that I remember) was McGinn while he was blasting Packer management for not being available to the press. He talked as though it was on Ted's to do list for a year or two, but left it to M3 to pull the trigger.

[pbmax]

Nick Saban says "MM is very committed to Dom Capers"

I agree with this. It was a very sly endorsement. He stated he thought Capers was outstanding as a coach while also saying no one had been evaluated yet. It was as non-committal as a positive comment could be. Saban could learn a thing or two here.

[pbmax]

MM talked about it when it happened. It was the defense falling flat on it's face in late drives after Rodgers was out. That was ugly stuff. Chicago, Minnesota, Giants, Philly all were pretty bad

From the Twitter feed it seemed like this comment was about player feedback about the season, but I should watch the video because sometimes the context gets jumbled when 7 reporters are all Tweeting versions of the same comments.

Your point certainly makes sense.

[woodbuck27]

I legit want to know, is this a persona you are putting on? Or are you the real deal?

Have you ever known me to be any different?

[falco]

Fair enough.

[woodbuck27]

Fair enough.

I hope that life is treating you fairly/well.

Later.

[mraynrand]

From the Twitter feed it seemed like this comment was about player feedback about the season, ...

it could be. There is no doubt thought that MM was pissed about those defensive collapses, right at the time.

[Bossman641]

I can't believe people are up in arms because MM didn't come out all fire and brimstone saying Player X sucks, this coach sucks, I can't wait to cut this player and send this coach on his way. Have people not been paying attention the past few years? Even if he were to feel that way, he has too much respect for the individuals to air it out like that. Look at the comments TT and MM make after they get rid of players they obviously didn't care for, like McMillan. They are always voiced positively wishing the player the best, saying wish things had worked out differently, etc. It's just how they do business.

[woodbuck27]

I can't believe people are up in arms because MM didn't come out all fire and brimstone saying Player X sucks, this coach sucks, I can't wait to cut this player and send this coach on his way. Have people not been paying attention the past few years? Even if he were to feel that way, he has too much respect for the individuals to air it out like that. Look at the comments TT and MM make after they get rid of players they obviously didn't care for, like McMillan. They are always voiced positively wishing the player the best, saying wish things had worked out differently, etc. It's just how they do business.

Do you imagine that Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy are special or should be especially commended for taking a part of a young man's life; expressing certain promise of development on him and "only" later rejecting that young man's efforts?

Doesn't such accorded dismissal warrant decent manners?

Good wishes bestowed on the dismissed young man, is at least a minimum in terms of a satisfactory PR program. After all, that young man may land with another NFL team with a story about what it's really like in his experience as "now ... a former Green Bay Packer".

That dismissed young man may carry a lot of stories about what it was like to be coached by Mike McCarthy and his coach's and be explicit about, "the Packer Way".

That dismissed former Green Bay Packer may carry a story (stories) about Green Bay Packer GM Ted Thompson !? ie Just maybe?, something like this:

How generally or how he and his former Packer team mates discussed 'often' just how difficult it was to gage how they stood with Packer GM Ted Thompson and their future.

Hypothetically and maybe even accurately? The rejected and now former Green Bay Packer may express a general mood of suspicion in the Green Bay Packer Locker Room; in specific terms of how really invisible Ted Thompson lives as the Packers GM. If that is the exact case?

I know that the team "culture" and overall NFL Team experience is a raft in a whipping sea. As dedicated NFL fans and observers of LIFE isn't that often the just the case!?

Some questions "just for you" to maybe? ask yourself:

Are you fooled by a Packer HC or GM; in regards to gratuitous parting of the ways ie "well wishes" for that suddenly "EX Packer"?

Is that done for the Ex Packer and any really sincere hope for his sudden now down turn for his life?

or

More so to deal with their then and now regrets?

or

A certain emphasis on a diplomatic position before their teams fan base, sports journalists and media etc.?

Check this out in terms of what should be normally expected from a GM and or HC. This fella was fortunate and was at least traded and not outright released ( a polite word for FIRED!):

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-hard-knocks/0ap2000000209189/Hard-Knocks-Vontae-Davis-traded-to-Colts

Hard Knocks: Vontae Davis traded to Colts

GO PACK GO !

[run pMc]

Do you imagine that Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy are special or should be especially commended for taking a part of a young man's life; expressing certain promise of development on him and "only" later rejecting that young man's efforts?

Doesn't such accorded dismissal warrant decent manners? Good wishes bestowed on the dismissed young man is at least a minimum in terms of a satisfactory PR program. After all that young man may land with another NFL team with a story about what it's really like in his experience as "now a former Green Bay Packer". That dismissed young man may carry a lot of stories about what it was like to be coached by Mike McCarthy and his coach's and "the Packer Way". That dismissed former Green Bay Packer may carry a story about Green bay Packer GM Ted Thompson and how generally he and his former Packer team mates discussed just how it was difficult to guage how they stood with Ted Thompson. Possibly the rejected and now former Green Bay Packer may express a general mood of suspicion in terms of how really invisible Ted Thompson lives as the Packers GM.

Nothing special about this...GB is not unique in releasing players and making such statements. Imagine if you hired a kid out of college, trained him, and after giving him a couple of chances he just wasn't performing -- you gotta let him go and find someone else. I didn't see anything rude or unprofessionalin what they did, and McMillian (to my knowledge) hasn't made comments indicating he was treated badly/unfairly. I'm guessing there's a certain amount of fear that if a fringe player trying to stay in the league makes a lot of unpleasant comments about his previous team (players, coaches or GM) he will look bad and like a lockerroom cancer.

Frankly, there wasn't much in the presser that surprised or disappointed me. I think McAdoo goes elsewhere and they'll keep Capers. I think his comments about exit interviews, safeties, culture, and the challenges from the injuries were interesting. For all the talk of playing young players, it seemed like he had to play a lot of green players more than he wanted and it had a ripple effect.
There are 17 FA's this year -- I think at least half will be gone and there will be some changes (hopefully for the better). McMillian's release was a prelude. He still hasn't caught onto a team.

[Bossman641]

Do you imagine that Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy are special or should be especially commended for taking a part of a young man's life; expressing certain promise of development on him and "only" later rejecting that young man's efforts?

Doesn't such accorded dismissal warrant decent manners?

Good wishes bestowed on the dismissed young man, is at least a minimum in terms of a satisfactory PR program. After all, that young man may land with another NFL team with a story about what it's really like in his experience as "now ... a former Green Bay Packer".

That dismissed young man may carry a lot of stories about what it was like to be coached by Mike McCarthy and his coach's and be explicit about, "the Packer Way".

That dismissed former Green Bay Packer may carry a story (stories) about Green Bay Packer GM Ted Thompson !? ie Just maybe?, something like this:

How generally or how he and his former Packer team mates discussed 'often' just how difficult it was to gage how they stood with Packer GM Ted Thompson and their future.

Hypothetically and maybe even accurately? The rejected and now former Green Bay Packer may express a general mood of suspicion in the Green Bay Packer Locker Room; in specific terms of how really invisible Ted Thompson lives as the Packers GM. If that is the exact case?

I know that the team "culture" and overall NFL Team experience is a raft in a whipping sea. As dedicated NFL fans and observers of LIFE isn't that often the just the case!?

Some questions "just for you" to maybe? ask yourself:

Are you fooled by a Packer HC or GM; in regards to gratuitous parting of the ways ie "well wishes" for that suddenly "EX Packer"?

Is that done for the Ex Packer and any really sincere hope for his sudden now down turn for his life?

or

More so to deal with their then and now regrets?

or

A certain emphasis on a diplomatic position before their teams fan base, sports journalists and media etc.?

Check this out in terms of what should be normally expected from a GM and or HC. This fella was fortunate and was at least traded and not outright released ( a polite word for FIRED!):

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-hard-knocks/0ap2000000209189/Hard-Knocks-Vontae-Davis-traded-to-Colts

Hard Knocks: Vontae Davis traded to Colts

GO PACK GO !

My whole point was that I can't remember MM or TT ever ripping a player or coach in public, so I'm not sure why people would expect them to do that now.