Who Should TT Pick In 1st Round? - Pre-Senior Bowl Edition

[smuggler]

Jon Dowling could probably be had in the 7th round or even UDFA and he might turn into a nice FS.

[wist43]

Don't want Hageman - liked Stephen Tuitt a lot more.

Don't know what people are looking at in rating Hageman higher than Tuitt. Granted I didn't watch a lot of tape on either, but of what I did watch Hageman looked somewhat stiff and unathletic, slow to disengage, and lacked closing burst.

Tuitt on the other hand, looked much more athletic, had speed with good closing burst, used his hands much better than Hageman and disengaged much better.

Of the two, I wouldn't even consider Hageman in the 1st round - while I'd be okay with Tuitt.

[pbmax]

Don't want Hageman - liked Stephen Tuitt a lot more.

Don't know what people are looking at in rating Hageman higher than Tuitt. Granted I didn't watch a lot of tape on either, but of what I did watch Hageman looked somewhat stiff and unathletic, slow to disengage, and lacked closing burst.

Tuitt on the other hand, looked much more athletic, had speed with good closing burst, used his hands much better than Hageman and disengaged much better.

Of the two, I wouldn't even consider Hageman in the 1st round - while I'd be okay with Tuitt.

If you find them again, please post.

[mraynrand]

If you find them again, please post.

Eventually he'll get a round Tuitt.

[mraynrand]

Don't want Hageman - liked Stephen Tuitt a lot more.

Don't know what people are looking at in rating Hageman higher than Tuitt. Granted I didn't watch a lot of tape on either, but of what I did watch Hageman looked somewhat stiff and unathletic, slow to disengage, and lacked closing burst.

Tuitt on the other hand, looked much more athletic, had speed with good closing burst, used his hands much better than Hageman and disengaged much better.

Of the two, I wouldn't even consider Hageman in the 1st round - while I'd be okay with Tuitt.

I watched three or four gopher games. Hageman is a beast - when he plays hard. I was worried that he took plays off, and then seemed to fatigue fairly easily. He could easily be Richard Seymour of NE or Richard Seymour of Oak, possibly on back-to-back plays, so I suspect TT will choose someone else.

[smuggler]

Richard Seymour was a good player in Oakland.

He did what everyone in America wanted to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID6QLJxnkn8

[mraynrand]

Richard Seymour was a good player in Oakland.

He did what everyone in America wanted to do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID6QLJxnkn8

Awesomeness.

Still, my point wasn't necessarily that he got worse, just that he took more plays off in Oakland, which worries me about Larry Hageman

[wist43]

If you find them again, please post.

Can't remember which games/highlights I looked at specifically... Hageman's highlights weren't very useful for evaluation, so I just turned to individual game tape on him.

This is vs. Wisconsin in 2012. He doesn't play with much knee bend or leverage, and doesn't disengage well. One of the write up knocks on him is that he plays too high... I saw that a lot in what I watched of him.

Tuitt had a down 2013. Had offseason sport hernia surgery and reported overweight and out of shape - it really showed. With his weight up, he looked sluggish and didn't make much of an impact. As the season wore on, he dropped some weight and began to play himself into shape, and played much better.

For Tuitt, I think he has more physical tools and upside than Hageman - just depends on what you think of him as a kid. If you think he'll dedicate himself and work to stay in good shape?? Then his upside is much higher than Hagemans. If you think he'll be an offseason Big Mac machine, and won't keep himself in shape, then I'd pass on him.

Aaron Donald was a constant disrupter. Would take him every day of the week over the other 2 guys.

[mraynrand]

no two-gapping for Donald. Release the hounds!

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Players I like in round one, Clinton-Dix, Pryor, Nix, and Ebron. Hopefully one of those four is available at 21. After that I wouldn't mind trading up in the second if Brandin Cooks starts falling a little. I think he would be perfect in our offense.

[Pugger]

After watching Seattle's defense I'm kinda jealous of their safety play, Pryor has also been getting a lot of comparisons to being a bigger Bob Sanders. I still wouldn't mind Hageman but we have gone DL early in the draft plenty of times, time to draft some skill players with our high picks.

A couple of his hits early in this clip might be helmet to helmet but I hope we could get him. I like the edge and attitude he brings. We could use a few more guys like this on D.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

A couple of his hits early in this clip might be helmet to helmet but I hope we could get him. I like the edge and attitude he brings. We could use a few more guys like this on D.

Yep and he is a solid tackler. he would be an instant upgrade on defense.

[pbmax]

Hageman was giving the left guard fits. Everything is leverage with him, and it stems from his height. If he gets lower (and he never gets real low) than the o lineman, he can deliver a shot and drive him back.

But he was useless with any other maneuver except speed. And that head low and launch into the lineman was useless against a double team. And I agree with wist, if the lineman got their hands on him, he wasn't quick to the ball or to disengage.

That is a decidedly mixed bag.

[Striker]

I'm hoping for Pryor in the first if the Packers don't add a safety through FA, and even then picking him up to replace Burnett at some point would be good...having safety depth would sure be a concept.

[wist43]

no two-gapping for Donald. Release the hounds!

The same for Raji and Jones - and look what Capers has done with those guys?? If we did draft Donald, Capers wouldn't use him right - so we're kind of stuck... do we draft a good player only to see him wasted; or, do we hope for an offensive player knowing he will likely help the team more than any defensive player??

Like I said, I see Donald as a Cullen Jenkins type. I like him better than Tuitt and Hegeman.