DOES THIS MEAN WE'RE SITTING ON OUR ASS AND DOING NOTHING WITH COACHES ????

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If you read NE forums you don't see fans there calling for the heads of coaches when they lose in the playoffs. Their D isn't all that hot but they don't talk about running their DC out of town on a rail.

lol

bad timing pugger

i don't know if he was fired, or he quit. but the pats just announced that their LB coach pepper johnson will not be returning to the team

[run pMc]

I don't understand the M3 hate. He's better than Sherman or Rhodes for sure, and better than others who were out there (e.g., Morningweg, Childress, IIRC) at the time. He's got a good mind for offense, and while he's not the best in-game strategist, he is an above average NFL HC. The Thanksgiving Lions game aside, he didn't lose the team and was able to keep the season from going down the drain without Rodgers. No small feat.
He consistently beats the Bears and has won the division 3 years in a row!
If he quit or was fired his agent's phone would be lighting up in a minute. There's a reason Gruden and Cowher get mentioned every year leading up to Black Monday -- they took teams to the playoffs, and won a SB. McCarthy would get the same treatment, although I think when he's done in GB, he'll walk away for good. (if he's not fired)

Slocum hasn't been great but he's been hampered on ST by injuries. I'd call him average to below average, and the stats bear that out. If they replaced him I wouldn't mind, but I think they'll keep him.

Capers isn't going anywhere.
What I'd like to know is if someone has looked at games from the 2009 and 2010 seasons and compared them to this past year. I assume Capers is running the same scheme, so what else has changed? Have offenses adapted and figured the defense out, or is it the players' failure to understand and execute the defense? Without watching/comparing the different seasons, I'm inclined to think it's more the latter...which means Capers & Co. need to find a way to help the players understand the scheme, and TT needs to find players who can learn and play the defense.

[run pMc]

lol

bad timing pugger

i don't know if he was fired, or he quit. but the pats just announced that their LB coach pepper johnson will not be returning to the team

Bring him in for an interview. He's an ex-LB who knows the 3-4, and GB has an job opening.

[mraynrand]

lol

bad timing pugger

i don't know if he was fired, or he quit. but the pats just announced that their LB coach pepper johnson will not be returning to the team

He's going to spend more time with his family.

Well, not really. Looks like he is all in for football and just wants an opportunity to advance. He's been passed over for internal rise to DC, and perhaps that's what's going on here. Bill apparently is going to make some changes and they don't involve advancement for Peppers. MM should schedule an interview!

[pbmax]

Here's the thing that bothers me. Everyone gets on Slocum for ST failures, and that's fine, since he's in charge. But when something gets corrected, it must be someone or something else. A leader should get the credit and the blame, or he gets neither. If neither, then he is Barry Switzer.

Its possible. The comments from both of them have been so generic that it might be impossible to discern. Crosby came into camp kicking well then had a meltdown at Family Night. He recovered almost immediately. The problem about giving credit to Slocum for fixing it is that a significant amount of time passed between the beginning and the end of the downturn.

It also started with the well covered trouble from the right hash that took forever to fix. And it seemed at the time that the fix was possibly part of what went wrong in 2012.

I am willing to give him credit for rescuing his units and keeping their head above water. But the amount of time underwater has to count as well. At least on the autopsy report.

[mraynrand]

I am willing to give him credit for rescuing his units and keeping their head above water. But the amount of time underwater has to count as well. At least on the autopsy report.

I can accept this. Let's agree on a $100,000 fine and 18 months with 12 months time served.

[Fosco33]

Gotta wonder if Greene was asked to leave and packers PR put on a good show.

[Joemailman]

Gotta wonder if Greene was asked to leave and packers PR put on a good show.

It's possible. However, Greens has a son in high school. Assuming his son plays sports, I can imagine Greene not wanting to miss that. MM said Greene approached him recently about possibly wanting to leave. There would be no real reason for MM to make that up.

[Fritz]

Funny that we can't seem to take Greene or MM at their word.

But such is the evasive nature of the NFL coach (when asked questions) that this is one of the results.

[pbmax]

Funny that we can't seem to take Greene or MM at their word.

But such is the evasive nature of the NFL coach (when asked questions) that this is one of the results.

Its ultimately the fault of people who leave and are not willing to admit why they are leaving (hello Urban Meyer). They say they are going to spend time with their family which is both true and completely unrelated to circumstances.

[hoosier]

He has had a succession of the worst coverage teams and a slightly better selection of return teams (mainly due to Cobb) in his tenure. His best year was 8th with extra-ordinary team health.

He refuses to let his kickers use outside consultants (who might have avoided or interrupted Crosby's epic slide in 2012) when his kickers could clearly benefit from them. (Jon Ryan made it clear how much those coaches can help-though to be fair, in Ryan's case McCarthy and the ST predecessor said no to the consultant)

His has three positive calling cards: Crosby's onside kicks, the tackling of both his kickers and his fakes. But the bread and butter return and coverage teams are awful and consistently so. The team is not talent challenged, so I have seen no coherent explanation of why his units suffer worse from team injuries than other franchises.

Overall ST rankings by Gosselin for past three years: 29th (2010), tie for 13th (2011), 12th (2012). They probably took a step back this year with the crappy KO returns by Ross and company, but overall Slocum seems to have fixed the problems that haunted special teams early in McCarthy's tenure: penalties and hemorrhaging yardage on KO returns.

[woodbuck27]

In the future we'll all look back on this stretch as some of the halcyon days, but it'd sure be nice to have more than one SB win. We also look back fondly on the Ron Wolf days, but we don't want to be singing his song:

All we are is a fart in the wind...
Farts in the wind....
Green Bay's just a fart in the wind....
Oooooooh.........ooooooooh.........

Is that "a lament"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgeJsR7iugA

[mraynrand]

Funny that we can't seem to take Greene or MM at their word.

But such is the evasive nature of the NFL coach (when asked questions) that this is one of the results.

"We have that question under scrutiny, and if such scrutiny should yield negative, we feel that we must maximize our efforts in that area"



"This is a press conference. The last thing I want to do is answer a lot of questions."

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Overall ST rankings by Gosselin for past three years: 29th (2010), tie for 13th (2011), 12th (2012). They probably took a step back this year with the crappy KO returns by Ross and company, but overall Slocum seems to have fixed the problems that haunted special teams early in McCarthy's tenure: penalties and hemorrhaging yardage on KO returns.

um what team are you watching

because it sure wasn't the packers

we saw a lot of penalties on ST a long with one huge return after the other given up while barely ever reaching the 20 when we try and return a kick

i would have to guess that some of the reasons for out rankings looking so good has to do with our very good punter. he has to be close to leading the nfl in punts down inside the 20. however, when we do allow a return, watch out, cause its cluster fuck time

[pbmax]

Overall ST rankings by Gosselin for past three years: 29th (2010), tie for 13th (2011), 12th (2012). They probably took a step back this year with the crappy KO returns by Ross and company, but overall Slocum seems to have fixed the problems that haunted special teams early in McCarthy's tenure: penalties and hemorrhaging yardage on KO returns.

Football Outsiders has it this way:

2013 - 19th
2012 - 18th
2011 - 8th
2010 - 26th
2009 - 32nd
2008 - 19th (I think this was his first year solo after Strock)

Cobb has clearly helped what was the most pathetic set of returners ever seen in a decade long run (after Rossum left) but I am not convinced anything else has changed.