DOES THIS MEAN WE'RE SITTING ON OUR ASS AND DOING NOTHING WITH COACHES ????

[HarveyWallbangers]

He has had a succession of the worst coverage teams and a slightly better selection of return teams (mainly due to Cobb) in his tenure. His best year was 8th with extra-ordinary team health.

Conversely, in the other three years he's had to deal with the most (or close) injuries in the league--which affects special teams.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Football Outsiders has it this way:

2013 - 19th
2012 - 18th
2011 - 8th
2010 - 26th
2009 - 32nd
2008 - 19th (I think this was his first year solo after Strock)

Cobb has clearly helped what was the most pathetic set of returners ever seen in a decade long run (after Rossum left) but I am not convinced anything else has changed.

Pretty respectable the last few years--considering the injuries. Crosby's FG accuracy (some of the blame to McCarthy) and the lack of a dynamic returner has hurt most of those years. We all like Masthay, but I bet according to the stats he's been below average. His net is great for Green Bay, but pretty ordinary when comparing to punters on teams with generally better weather conditions.

[Joemailman]

um what team are you watching

because it sure wasn't the packers

we saw a lot of penalties on ST a long with one huge return after the other given up while barely ever reaching the 20 when we try and return a kick

i would have to guess that some of the reasons for out rankings looking so good has to do with our very good punter. he has to be close to leading the nfl in punts down inside the 20. however, when we do allow a return, watch out, cause its cluster fuck time

Masthay's rankings:

26th on kicks downed inside 20
17th in number of fair catches
12th in punts out of bounds
15th in least return yards allowed
21st in net average

His effect on ST rankings is probably pretty moderate.

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Masthay's rankings:

26th on kicks downed inside 20
17th in number of fair catches
12th in punts out of bounds
15th in least return yards allowed
21st in net average

His effect on ST rankings is probably pretty moderate.

huh, i would have thought his numbers were better then that

must be slocums fault somehow

[Patler]

Masthay's rankings:

26th on kicks downed inside 20
17th in number of fair catches
12th in punts out of bounds
15th in least return yards allowed
21st in net average

His effect on ST rankings is probably pretty moderate.

Many of the raw punting numbers are kind of meaningless. Some punters had over 90 punts. Masthay had 64. His raw numbers for fair catches, # inside the 20, touchbacks, etc are likely to be lower simply because of so many fewer attempts

Dustin Colquitt tied for most punts inside the 20, with 35. He had 11 touchbacks. In other words, he was successful on 76% of his opportunities (ignoring the times he kicked short of the 20 when he should have been able to get inside the 20). Masthay had 22 inside the 20, and 5 touchbacks. He was successful on 81.5% of his opportunities to pin a team deep. Colquitt had a lot more inside the 20 than Masthay did, but was he really batter at it than Masthay was?

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patler

you're fucking awesome

[Bretsky]

I'm pretty shocked anybody would defend Slocum; I didn't fault him for the Crosby struggles or give him credit
But to me our coverage units have ranged from sub par to horrid and I recall several games where I'm holding my breath on a kickoff at a key spot only to then watch a huge return. The guy was hardly qualified to coach ST when he was hired and he's still junk. Every team has injuries. Every team deals with injuries at the bottom of their roster. James Campen had a few; the OL was fine. The job os a ST coach requires recycling guys in and out. I'm still shocked

[smuggler]

Masthay is a tier 2 punter, which is better than we've had since probably Craig Hentrich.

[bobblehead]

Packers are consistently younger and in too many season, consistently more injured than other teams. Both youth and revolving doors on ST I think have seriously hurt them.

No outside consultant? So remind me how did Crosby end up overcoming his slump?

Hired a private consultant behind Slocum's back during the offseason.

[bobblehead]

Many of the raw punting numbers are kind of meaningless. Some punters had over 90 punts. Masthay had 64. His raw numbers for fair catches, # inside the 20, touchbacks, etc are likely to be lower simply because of so many fewer attempts

Dustin Colquitt tied for most punts inside the 20, with 35. He had 11 touchbacks. In other words, he was successful on 76% of his opportunities (ignoring the times he kicked short of the 20 when he should have been able to get inside the 20). Masthay had 22 inside the 20, and 5 touchbacks. He was successful on 81.5% of his opportunities to pin a team deep. Colquitt had a lot more inside the 20 than Masthay did, but was he really batter at it than Masthay was?

Thus proving that stats are for losers.

[Zool]

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[woodbuck27]

I'm pretty shocked anybody would defend Slocum; I didn't fault him for the Crosby struggles or give him credit
But to me our coverage units have ranged from sub par to horrid and I recall several games where I'm holding my breath on a kickoff at a key spot only to then watch a huge return. The guy was hardly qualified to coach ST when he was hired and he's still junk. Every team has injuries. Every team deals with injuries at the bottom of their roster. James Campen had a few; the OL was fine. The job os a ST coach requires recycling guys in and out. I'm still shocked

Their not defending Shawn Slocum. Their defending MM's decision to retain Shawn Slocum.

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here, let me help you out there zool, you seem confused

[pbmax]

Conversely, in the other three years he's had to deal with the most (or close) injuries in the league--which affects special teams.

I'd be more sanguine about this if I had some evidence he could coach a Top 10 unit more than once a half decade. I am just not sure what his top end is. There is no point in retaining him if 14th is his best on average.

[pbmax]

Pretty respectable the last few years--considering the injuries. Crosby's FG accuracy (some of the blame to McCarthy) and the lack of a dynamic returner has hurt most of those years. We all like Masthay, but I bet according to the stats he's been below average. His net is great for Green Bay, but pretty ordinary when comparing to punters on teams with generally better weather conditions.

Slocum has to bear some responsibility for Crosby, even if we credit him for the turnaround this year. Crosby had that right hash problem for three years and very soon after he fixes it, the rest of his kicking goes sideways (literally).

Returners have definitely hurt, but even with Cobb he is League average at best.

This year the best unit according to FO was the Punt Return, which means Hyde was at least consistent with mediocre yardage plus a couple big returns. Next best was punting. Worst was KO coverage and second worst was KO return. Those FO special team ranks include adjustments for weather. Green Bay was 18th in weather effects. Crosby was dead middle of the road for the Pack, better than both kick teams, poorer than punt teams.