So,...what should the Packers do about Mike Neal????

[Rodgers12]

Shields, House, Hayward, and Hyde would still be very solid. While you're at it put Burnett on the same flight as Tramon.

Solid? No bleeping way. Shields, House, Hayward and Hyde would make Jay Cutler look like Lorenzo.

Shields plays good at time but he's no shutdown corner (too inconsistent). House? Jarrett Fucking Bush bypassed him on the depth chart for fuck's sake. Hayward can't play outside and he's injury-prone. Hyde's a backup safety who played corner by default last season.

The NFL is still a passing league. You can't have enough good corners. Williams was not only the Packers' best corner last season, he was also their best defender. Instead of releasing Williams, Teddy should add a shutdown corner in addition to resigning Shields.

It makes no sense to release T-Will. Even with his $9.5 M cap figure accounted for, the Packers still have approximately $28 M under the blue sky. Take away Williams, and who the bleep replace him?

Hyde? House? Jay Cutler is reading this and he's going LOL.

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Solid? No bleeping way. Shields, House, Hayward and Hyde would make Jay Cutler look like Lorenzo.

Shields plays good at time but he's no shutdown corner (too inconsistent). House? Jarrett Fucking Bush bypassed him on the depth chart for fuck's sake. Hayward can't play outside and he's injury-prone. Hyde's a backup safety who played corner by default last season.

The NFL is still a passing league. You can't have enough good corners. Williams was not only the Packers' best corner last season, he was also their best defender. Instead of releasing Williams, Teddy should add a shutdown corner in addition to resigning Shields.

It makes no sense to release T-Will. Even with his $9.5 M cap figure accounted for, the Packers still have approximately $28 M under the blue sky. Take away Williams, and who the bleep replace him?

Hyde? House? Jay Cutler is reading this and he's going LOL.

and we don't play a system that requires shutdown corners, and even if we did, tramon is not one of them

jay cuter looks at out safeties and going LOL, because all he has to do is throw deep everytime

of course, as packer fans, we just have to look at cutler and we go LOL

[Joemailman]

joe, i like you. you're one of my favorite posters

but for the last couple of days, i haven't been able to agree with anything you've said. in fact every time you post, i want to reach into the screen and punch you

i can't help but think it has something to do with your avatar, looking at it makes my blood boil and makes me want to go on a killing spree

i think you should be forced to change it seeings how it is such an objectionable, disgusting picture

I've been waiting for someone to say something, especially since I started the Fire Slocum thread. I'll be changing it. I'm surprised Woody's epic meltdown wasn't directed at me.

[Bretsky]

I've been waiting for someone to say something, especially since I started the Fire Slocum thread. I'll be changing it. I'm surprised Woody's epic meltdown wasn't directed at me.

Every time I look at that avatar I feel more stupid then the minute before
If that avatar remains I'm making one with Hoody Genius so you guys can look at him and get smarter !

[Joemailman]

Better?

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Every time I look at that avatar I feel more stupid then the minute before
If that avatar remains I'm making one with Hoody Genius so you guys can look at him and get smarter !

one step ahead of you b

my new one should help offset his a bit

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Better?

no

there's a fucking bear in your picture

the only time its acceptable to have a bear in your av, is if it looks like he's getting butt fucked by KGB

[Rodgers12]

and we don't play a system that requires shutdown corners, and even if we did, tramon is not one of them

jay cuter looks at out safeties and going LOL, because all he has to do is throw deep everytime

of course, as packer fans, we just have to look at cutler and we go LOL

Williams is not a shutdown corner but he sure came close to being one last season. He will turn 31 in March, but I seem to recall some old-timer named Charles Woodson being named defensive player of the year at the tender age of 30-something.

To cut a good corner in a passing league just to save $9.5 M when you have $28 M and no bona fide replacement is mindboggling. Now if Thompson can pull a rabbit out of a hat and trade for Dick Sherman, releasing Williams might be reasonable.

[Joemailman]

no

there's a fucking bear in your picture

the only time its acceptable to have a bear in your av, is if it looks like he's getting butt fucked by KGB

Lighten up Red. It's Lacy leaving a Bears player in the dust. As it should be. You don't have to be Einstein to figure that out.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Williams is not a shutdown corner but he sure came close to being one last season. He will turn 31 in March, but I seem to recall some old-timer named Charles Woodson being named defensive player of the year at the tender age of 30-something.

To cut a good corner in a passing league just to save $9.5 M when you have $28 M and no bona fide replacement is mindboggling. Now if Thompson can pull a rabbit out of a hat and trade for Dick Sherman, releasing Williams might be reasonable.

Well you don't cut Williams just to sit on the cash and smile. The defense sucks and have had a lot of underperforming players the last three years including Williams. Instead of paying a soon to be 31 yo corner who has played average for 2 1/2 of the last 3 years 9 million dollars, why not use that to sign someone to upgrade the safety position? Or at least use it to pay players who have played great every year - see Nelson/Cobb/Jones. Give me some solid safety play and a pass rush and Shields, House, Hayward and Hyde would be more than adequate at corner.

[Bretsky]

Better?

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
probably a good move; as you probably know I'm a tech dummie and everytime I have an avatar change Mad actually does it for me
So my avatar's tend to stick with me for at least 3-5 years

The forum would have had to blame you for having to view Hoody Genius til 2020

[Rodgers12]

Well you don't cut Williams just to sit on the cash and smile. The defense sucks and have had a lot of underperforming players the last three years including Williams. Instead of paying a soon to be 31 yo corner who has played average for 2 1/2 of the last 3 years 9 million dollars, why not use that to sign someone to upgrade the safety position? Or at least use it to pay players who have played great every year - see Nelson/Cobb/Jones. Give me some solid safety play and a pass rush and Shields, House, Hayward and Hyde would be more than adequate at corner.

$28 M is enough to sign Nelson/Cobb/Jones and a hotshot saftey. Just need to be creative and efficient with the cap.

But we all know Thompson is NOT gonna sign the top free agent saftey or any elite free agent whatsoever even if he had unlimited cap space. Thompson lacks the skill to lure elite free agents to Green Bay, a la Ron Wolf with Reggie White. I know, Thompson likes to draft and develop. That's just an excuse to cover up that lack of skill, methinks.

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$28 M is enough to sign Nelson/Cobb/Jones and a hotshot saftey. Just need to be creative and efficient with the cap.

But we all know Thompson is NOT gonna sign the top free agent saftey or any elite free agent even if he had unlimited cap space. Thompson lacks the skill to lure elite free agents to Green Bay, a la Ron Wolf with Reggie White. I know, Thompson likes to draft and develop. That's just an excuse to cover up that lack of skill, methinks.

time for everyone to read this

http://overthecap.com/top-heavy-spending-nfl/

its an article that talks about how tying up huge chunks of cap space on just a few players is not the right way to do things

What is interesting to note is that none of the seven top heavy spenders was a playoff team in 2013 and none had a winning record. The Saints are the only team in the top 10 to have made the playoffs last season or had a winning record. These are teams that need changes not large investments in the same group of players and they all need to keep that in mind when giving up more future flexibility to keep a mediocre team together.

what they are talking about, is a team like the lions that have over 50 million in cap space invested in just 3 players, or the steelers that have 67 million invested in their top 5 players

we're gonna be getting dangerously close to those types of figures in a couple years if we pay a guy like shields or jordy or cobb top end money to go a long with the large contracts already given to a-rod and clay

the point the article is trying to make, is that you don't build a team by having a handfull of superstar players with the rest of the squad filled in with vet minimum scrubs. you need to ge one or 2 big paid guys, and get a shitload of midrange guys

[bobblehead]

i was thinking about his a bit last night too

we run more of a zone correct? with some man to man sprinkled in. but its mostly zone right? thats why we have cb's letting guys run past them thinking there is a safety their to pick them up, and they rarely are. or a cb letting a wr run accross the middle of the field when there's no one there

i mean, we run mostly zone coverage, correct. or am i off on that?

if we are running zone, then whats the point of having two very highly paid/skilled cb's on the team, when the whole secondary is only as strong as its weakest link?

you could have deon and revis in their primes out there, if the safeties behind them are off in la la land, then its not gonna matter how good those cb's are

we saw so many blown assignments and miscommunications involving shields and tramon and the safeties this year that i don't know if either one is worth 9 million a year.

would we have been any better or any worse off with a couple of 3 million dollar CB's out there? probably not imo

And now you understand why I say that pass rush makes a bad secondary look good and a good secondary look bad.

[bobblehead]

i said during the season, before tramon put together a couple nice games. that i thought the team could only afford 1 of tramon or shields. if they want to keep tramon, then shields should be allowed to leave. if they sign shields to a big deal, then they need to release tramon.

i said at the time, and i still say now, that the team should release tramon and give shields his money

Am I the only one that saw the return of Tramon the playmaker from week 12ish on? You pay them both. You let Finley walk. You deal with next years cap next year.