Classic McGinn--JS---"Packers should take Page out of Broncos Book"

[Joemailman]

BTW, Micah Hyde last season: ZERO, 0, NADA, NULL, SEFR, RIE picks.

Kaepernick threw him a gift and the idiot rookie still dropped it.

Grrrr. Thinking about it makes me angry.

That would be the same amount of picks as our seasoned veterans at Safety.

[mraynrand]

Look back at '96 and '97. Wolf acquired plenty of veterans of NFL wars to lead his young uns. McGinn is correct.

A seasoned veteran would NOT have fucked this up:

You must be right!

[Rodgers12]

That would be the same amount of picks as our seasoned veterans at Safety.

Our safeties suck. I guarantee you Tramon Williams would NOT have dropped that gift. In the clutch, in the playoffs, you just cannot drop a gimmie pick like a rookie.

[mraynrand]

Our safeties suck. I guarantee you Tramon Williams would NOT have dropped that gift. In the clutch, in the playoffs, you just cannot drop a gimmie pick like a rookie.

When you are going toe to toe with an equally matched rival, the one who blinks first loses!

Hyde was a manicure away from an INT!

[Patler]

In 2012:
Jeff Saturday was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Cedric Benson was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Daniel Muir was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Anthony Hargrove was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Philip Merling was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Ryan Grant was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.

Saturday, Benson, Merling and Grant all spent time on the regular roster.

In 2013:
Johnny Jolly was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Mathew Mulligan was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Vince Young was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Seneca Wallace was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Matt Flynn was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Kahlil Bell was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.

Jolly, Wallace, Flynn and Bell all spent time on the regular roster.


But McGinn and others are right, the Packers NEVER sign experienced, cheap, veteran FA's in attempts to fill short-term needs.

[denverYooper]

Look back at '96 and '97. Wolf acquired plenty of veterans of NFL wars to lead his young uns. McGinn is correct.

A seasoned veteran would NOT have fucked this up:

Holy wah. That picture makes it look like a much tougher catch than it seemed when watching it live.

[woodbuck27]

When you are going toe to toe with an equally matched rival, the one who blinks first loses!

Hyde was a manicure away from an INT!

It's more complex 'm'.

I assure you "as a warrior", as a competitor in many areas that can be used to draw on to the other, it's closer to this:

A competition 'only ' exists because of a clash between two wills.

When it goes down...whoever breaks the other’s will is going to win. It's got dick all to do with eye blinks. It’s a street fight between experienced scrappers. Both possessing clear skills and the two's 'S's'... style and strength. One must react to the other in terms of being flexible in alternating styles/skills. In "mano-o-mano physical, finesse trumps strength.

You must clearly know your opponent and never under estimate his skills. Overconfidence is a killer in any contest; and without good nerves "your dead in the water". It's no place for masochism. You bring your fear, anxiety/nervousness, having beforehand excitedly envisioned or shaped the victory.

As you anticipate your opponent, observation is your "best friend". You know "the watcher" role. Constantly preparing, yet never anticipating.

After that it's intelligence, humility and readiness. Once in the mix... cools the tool...aggression "the fools walk".

[red]

In 2012:
Jeff Saturday was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Cedric Benson was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Daniel Muir was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Anthony Hargrove was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Philip Merling was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Ryan Grant was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.

Saturday, Benson, Merling and Grant all spent time on the regular roster.

In 2013:
Johnny Jolly was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Mathew Mulligan was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Vince Young was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Seneca Wallace was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Matt Flynn was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Kahlil Bell was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.

Jolly, Wallace, Flynn and Bell all spent time on the regular roster.


But McGinn and others are right, the Packers NEVER sign experienced, cheap, veteran FA's in attempts to fill short-term needs.

christ, i forgot about most of those guys

yeah, i guess we are signing guys i want us to bring in

fyi, i did like the merlin and hargrove signings a lot

[Bretsky]

How did Seattle build its roster?

McGinn is right on one hand and chooses not to really look at the other hand.

If you look up and down Seattle's roster they mixed in some effective trades and average free agents. Their GM has been better than everybody at drafting the past few years. But it hasn't just been the draft.

[Bretsky]

and that young team in seattle signed a couple a vets to 1(bennett) and 2 (avril) year deals this season and those 2 guys have been huge contributors for them. so the seahawks also took a "page out of the broncos book" if you will

we had the cap space where we could have sprinkled in a some free agent vets like the broncos did with shawn phillips for a million bucks (12 sacks) or seattle did with bennett (5 million for 1 year)

we need experience on this team, we need guys that can show all these 21 and 22 year olds how to practice and prepare for games and play at an nfl level when he gets on the field

Seatttle has excelled at the draft.........but they have used ALL resources in building this team. I've said many times....their GM has shown Ron Wolf like stones in recruting these free agents and closing on the deals/trades

[Bretsky]

Well, Bennett was a cheap FA pickup on a one year deal. TT has made some of these types of signings (Saturday and others earlier in his tenure), but they haven't worked out very well. Avril was a bigger signing, but Thompson has had his Woodson and Pickett signings. We'll see. Schneider has made more trades (non-draft) than Thompson, but a lot of what he is doing mirrors what Thompson does. It helps Seattle that Wilson is playing on his rookie contract. When he gets his $10-15M/year, the purse strings will tighten even further in Seattle.

What about Scheider mirrors Thompson ? I see him absolutely excelling at the draft. Both do well there. But IMO Scheieder is willing to take the risks that TT does not. I think he mirrors Ron Wolf

[Bretsky]

In 2012:
Jeff Saturday was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Cedric Benson was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Daniel Muir was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Anthony Hargrove was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Philip Merling was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Ryan Grant was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.

Saturday, Benson, Merling and Grant all spent time on the regular roster.

In 2013:
Johnny Jolly was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Mathew Mulligan was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Vince Young was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Seneca Wallace was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Matt Flynn was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.
Kahlil Bell was an experienced veteran FA who had a lot of previous playing experience.

Jolly, Wallace, Flynn and Bell all spent time on the regular roster.


But McGinn and others are right, the Packers NEVER sign experienced, cheap, veteran FA's in attempts to fill short-term needs.

Saturday and Benson and Hargrove are nice examples
But man....that 2013 list...Jolly was kind of ours

The rest of that list smells like manure

[Patler]

Saturday and Benson and Hargrove are nice examples
But man....that 2013 list...Jolly was kind of ours

The rest of that list smells like manure

Hargrove didn't stick either, but Merling was on the roster for 4 weeks while Neal was suspended.

Jolly was sort of theirs anyway, but he didn't have to be. He was in no way, shape or form a part of their planning at the end of 2012, and he hadn't played anywhere for three years. Really no different than any FA on the street from another team.

You might not like the smell of some of those names, but I was sort of surprised that Muir or Hargrove didn't stick. Muir has played for the Jets and Raiders since being cut by GB. Mulligan played for the Patriots this year. Bell was on the roster this year for a month. Was Wallace crap just because he was injured? If you don't want a young, inexperienced backup QB, Wallace was what you get.

[Rodgers12]

What about Scheider mirrors Thompson ? I see him absolutely excelling at the draft. Both do well there. But IMO Scheieder is willing to take the risks that TT does not. I think he mirrors Ron Wolf

Bretsky, I know you like Schneider, and he's probably very competent at his job, but the guy's basically Carroll's "Yes Man." In other words, even though he holds the GM title, Schneider is pretty much Ted Thompson when Ted Thompson was in Seattle.

To say that Schneider built the current Seagulls is like saying Grant won the War for Southern Independence (aka, American Civil War). Or Scott Pioli built the Patriot Dynasty.

Given that he comes from the Wolf-Thompson School of Midgetry (stubborn and complete intolerance of short people), and that he favored the signing of Flynn, Schneider likely didn't want to draft Rusty Wilson. Future NFL head coach and Mike Sherman disciple, Darell Bevell, convinced Caroll to give the little guy (Wilson) a chance.

The guy in KC is also a YES MAN. Want an example of an ex-Packer, Polar Bear influenced, front office "brass" that runs his own show? McKenzie.

[Rodgers12]

Holy wah. That picture makes it look like a much tougher catch than it seemed when watching it live.

This seasoned vet makes it look easy (Hyde sucks!):