Classic McGinn--JS---"Packers should take Page out of Broncos Book"

[woodbuck27]

[QUOTE=woodbuck27;772516]Instead of thinking your doing something right.

pool every possible resource..tap in "Big Time" .

Utilize all you need to better ensure (not just think) a better (not good enough) rather A BEST OUTCOME.

A whole 'Motherload" of that is practically FREE.

TT and MM have to yse "common sense"...based in certain intelligence.

They're obviously getting it WRONG.

Maybe they might use what has always served me well: The ..."Two To One Odds ALWAY's WIN Theory".

Try some strategy #1:

a1) It's right >>> The strategy is on course for a positive. Great !

or

b1) It's wrong >>> Try something else or Strategy #2 as a RESET of Strategy #1

DON'T Accept Failure.

a2) It's right >>> Now the strategy is on course for a positive.

The worst case scenario is always based in re-setting strategy or a brand new strategy with renewed hope for a successful outcome.

The odds for a successful outcome is always Two to One.


Three straight seasons getting it wrong should indicate that their choices are a part of their failing strategy.

[3irty1]

I don't often defend McGinn, but Denver is a much more relevant example to us. Seattle's front office is playing the game on easy. They have an incredible luxury to take risks because they can recover effortlessly. They have a lot of good players and haven't had to pay any of them.

Denver got where they are by taking risks although they too had a form of training wheels in that they had absolutely nothing to lose. They are only a few years removed from being absolutely destroyed by the laughingstock of a GM they used to have. Still, if they can get to the superbowl with a 20 million dollar quarterback its worth paying attention to for Packer fans!

[woodbuck27]

and that young team in seattle signed a couple a vets to 1(bennett) and 2 (avril) year deals this season and those 2 guys have been huge contributors for them. so the seahawks also took a "page out of the broncos book" if you will

we had the cap space where we could have sprinkled in a some free agent vets like the broncos did with shawn phillips for a million bucks (12 sacks) or seattle did with bennett (5 million for 1 year)

we need experience on this team, we need guys that can show all these 21 and 22 year olds how to practice and prepare for games and play at an nfl level when he gets on the field

Won't such an approach force Ted Thompson to act more like a Bill Belichick style GM or looking like he's "on the job" daily?

He might? receive praise from Packer Nation, after seeing the Packer beat and Wisconsin sports journalists and media praise Ted Thompson as a hard working man.

Can you imagine, "a dynamic Ted Thompson", as a proud NFL GM with few if any NFL GM's better than he is? Ted Thompson ..." the real key " to the NFL dominating Green Bay Packers extraordinary success? Can you see...that success demonstrated by consistent playoff deep runs, NFC Championships and subsequent Super Bowl appearances...more Lombardi Trophy's !?

Can you imagine the Green Bay Packers, getting stronger every week, as the key focus measure of all Ted Thompson's efforts? That's what TT would be doing, if as one part of " His New Way ". He and Russ Ball designed their player contracts with a primary focus of protecting " the integrity of the Green Bay Packers ".

Example... Do your job or you'll be replaced, upgraded Pronto !

Wouldn't such a strategy ultimately "light a fire under the ass's" of many of the players Ted Thompson see's wasting the Green Bay Packers CAP space?

Players like BJ Raji and Morgan Burnett, Brad Jones and AJ Hawk.

AJ Hawk falls under the category ... " what a beauty " !

The man's a prime example; along with backup QB Matt Flynn. Of how to get the absolute most $money$, for the minimum product you actually deliver on Game Days. Both of these Packers redefine the phrase, "milking the system".

Doesn't that neglect extend into Mike McCarthy's, "Constant" coaching staff? A prime example of Green Bay Packer ineptitude and coaching, being Special Team's Coach ... Shawn Slocum?

How does that man hang onto his job? His ST's results record is "outrageously", or maybe? you choose, "pathetically" bad overall.

Maybe the fact that Shawn Slocum somehow maintains his Green Bay Packer job status is a true testament, to a man that just won't go away.

The word "FIRED" is too nasty in "One Giant Happy Family" Green Bay Packers Management. Shawn Slocum somehow hangs in there year to year to Year. Shawn Slocum looks "like growing moss on the north side of a shed".

Packers GM Ted Thompson!?? His name associated with that positive word "CHANGE"!? Isn't that thought just " wouldn't that be really nice " extraordinarily incredible?

That method of managing would make Ted Thompson more visible. His name appearing more in the media. Other interests ( Nationally famous journalists and media) would pop up examining Ted Thompson as... "NFL GM Extraordinaire".

Can "YOU" imagine where this would go !? For just a bare minimum forecast perspective:

Health food companies, and maybe even companies that are focused on marketing men's health and beauty products would be calling on ted Thompson for endorsements. Ted Thompson would likely and almost without trying achieve unlimited potential notoriety. His face splashed here and there on magazine covers, ad campaigns and even the equivalent to giant billboards all over America.

All that because Ted Thompson suddenly bought in to accepting the fact. That to be a terrific NFL GM. The absolute key component towards any NFL teams ultimate success. He had to change and work his job dynamically every single day. Work his tail off towards determining results adding up to more than NFCN Championships.

Ted Thompson's present style of low key minimum hands on managing. His constant disappearing acts. Would for all intents and purposes disappear. His status, as an NFL drafting specialist, after a year to year approach to NFL Free Agency, guided by TT's:

"Don't sell me on no hand me down's !"

Normally we're used to seeing Ted Thompson's "pass the buck" over to his "tied to the hip" Head Coach Mike McCarthy's Coaching & Support Staff's ...

After Draft ''ONLY" as Ted Thompson "INSTRUCTS" ...

Packer Roster, "Without Anything NFL Superior and The Envy of the Entire NFL" :

Green Bay Packers Developmental and Full Support Program.

With all that obviously and so successfully already in place:

Is Ted Thompson a man that would risk such success?

GO PACK GO !

[Bretsky]

Hargrove didn't stick either, but Merling was on the roster for 4 weeks while Neal was suspended.

Jolly was sort of theirs anyway, but he didn't have to be. He was in no way, shape or form a part of their planning at the end of 2012, and he hadn't played anywhere for three years. Really no different than any FA on the street from another team.

You might not like the smell of some of those names, but I was sort of surprised that Muir or Hargrove didn't stick. Muir has played for the Jets and Raiders since being cut by GB. Mulligan played for the Patriots this year. Bell was on the roster this year for a month. Was Wallace crap just because he was injured? If you don't want a young, inexperienced backup QB, Wallace was what you get.

An interesting thought on Wallace and I'd offer two views of mine.

First of all, I was on board with the TT theory...I think..in that since AROD never gets hurt its better to have a smart veteran backup than a quality backup. So I can't be critical here

HOWEVER

If you wanted a backup who could play IMO Wallace was not the guy because I just didn't think we was good. He was the scrap heap veteran nobody wanted due to lack of talent IMO......different form Jeff Garcia a few years ago. I had no faith in Wallace to lead us to wins...while he was not an option I'd take the half baked shoulder of Matt Flynn over Wallace any day

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, I know you like Schneider, and he's probably very competent at his job, but the guy's basically Carroll's "Yes Man." In other words, even though he holds the GM title, Schneider is pretty much Ted Thompson when Ted Thompson was in Seattle.

To say that Schneider built the current Seagulls is like saying Grant won the War for Southern Independence (aka, American Civil War). Or Scott Pioli built the Patriot Dynasty.

Given that he comes from the Wolf-Thompson School of Midgetry (stubborn and complete intolerance of short people), and that he favored the signing of Flynn, Schneider likely didn't want to draft Rusty Wilson. Future NFL head coach and Mike Sherman disciple, Darell Bevell, convinced Caroll to give the little guy (Wilson) a chance.

The guy in KC is also a YES MAN. Want an example of an ex-Packer, Polar Bear influenced, front office "brass" that runs his own show? McKenzie.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one; I saw interviews of Schneider after the Wilson pick. His staff did all the scouting and he gets credit for the immense amount of talent he chose to draft. Pete Carroll, while a solid coach, is not in charge of the scouting and scouting dept. He's put together some unbelievable drafts on defense, and his trades for Lynch and Baldwon as well as free agent signings....like Bennettt...were brilliant. I think you really sell him short

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, I know you like Schneider, and he's probably very competent at his job, but the guy's basically Carroll's "Yes Man." In other words, even though he holds the GM title, Schneider is pretty much Ted Thompson when Ted Thompson was in Seattle.

To say that Schneider built the current Seagulls is like saying Grant won the War for Southern Independence (aka, American Civil War). Or Scott Pioli built the Patriot Dynasty.

Given that he comes from the Wolf-Thompson School of Midgetry (stubborn and complete intolerance of short people), and that he favored the signing of Flynn, Schneider likely didn't want to draft Rusty Wilson. Future NFL head coach and Mike Sherman disciple, Darell Bevell, convinced Caroll to give the little guy (Wilson) a chance.

The guy in KC is also a YES MAN. Want an example of an ex-Packer, Polar Bear influenced, front office "brass" that runs his own show? McKenzie.

And with where they were on the cap, Flynn made sense. They had the money and needed a QB badly. In retrospect it was idiotic to give him that much; and they got incredibly lucky when Russell Wilson fell into their laps. But I do think Scheider wanted him badly

[ThunderDan]

Seatttle has excelled at the draft.........but they have used ALL resources in building this team. I've said many times....their GM has shown Ron Wolf like stones in recruting these free agents and closing on the deals/trades

Sorry B, I don't think Schneider and Wolf are anything a like.

Wolf was in a period where teams didn't understand the salary cap and players like Reggie White could be had. You will never see a player of Reggie White's ability hit the open market in the NFL today unless there is a problem with the player's agent's fax.

[ThunderDan]

If you look up and down Seattle's roster they mixed in some effective trades and average free agents. Their GM has been better than everybody at drafting the past few years. But it hasn't just been the draft.

And what about TT with Woodson and Pickett? Let's see what Sea does 5-6 years into Schneider's tenure to see if the approach changes when they actually have to pay their superstars.

[red]

Holy wah. That picture makes it look like a much tougher catch than it seemed when watching it live.

until this point i questioned your yooperness

not any more

[bobblehead]

They're obviously getting it WRONG.
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I have 2 things to say....dammit, this post was under 8 lines so I read it. And:

Which 5 teams in the NFL have been more successful than the packers during TT and MM's tenure? I mean, if they are so wrong, and its so obvious, there must be at least 20, I only ask you to name 5.

[bobblehead]

Seatttle has excelled at the draft.........but they have used ALL resources in building this team. I've said many times....their GM has shown Ron Wolf like stones in recruting these free agents and closing on the deals/trades

Talk to me after next year, and the one after that. As of right now, they have 2 winning seasons, 1 superbowl appearance. I'm not convinced they get a win.

[bobblehead]

This seasoned vet makes it look easy (Hyde sucks!):

We all knew it would just be a matter of time before you became "that guy" again.

[bobblehead]

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one; I saw interviews of Schneider after the Wilson pick. His staff did all the scouting and he gets credit for the immense amount of talent he chose to draft. Pete Carroll, while a solid coach, is not in charge of the scouting and scouting dept. He's put together some unbelievable drafts on defense, and his trades for Lynch and Baldwon as well as free agent signings....like Bennettt...were brilliant. I think you really sell him short

Time to disengage bretsky...he is about 2 days away from full TT derangement syndrome, making ludicrous arguments that not even he believes just to inflame.

[bobblehead]

Sorry B, I don't think Schneider and Wolf are anything a like.

Wolf was in a period where teams didn't understand the salary cap and players like Reggie White could be had. You will never see a player of Reggie White's ability hit the open market in the NFL today unless there is a problem with the player's agent's fax.

Not entirely accurate. Guys like Peppers, Haynesworth and others hit the market at times. Of course your statement is correct because there is no other player like Reggie White...period.

[Patler]

Everyone seems to ignore assessments of the rosters prior to the transactions. How active you are depends somewhat on how deep you think your roster is. In the end, you have room for only 53 players.

When Thompson came to GB, during one of his first interviews he was asked how he had spent his time since coming to GB. He said he spent weeks analyzing his own roster. He was asked what he determined, and his reply was that it was not quite what he expected, the implication being that it was weaker than he thought.

His first few years in GB he made trades, including Gado for Morency, Johnson for one of the Thompson linebackers (I always forget if it was Robert or Raynoch, I think Robert), a draft pick for Grant, Morley for a draft pick, and of course a lot of draft day trades.

He signed lots of veteran free agents; some somewhat expensive and former high picks like Pickett, Woodson, Klemm and Chiller. Some very experienced older guys who had started for many years but came cheaply like Little, O'Dwyer, Robinson, Gardner; some with three to five years experience who it was hoped could still develop like the other Thompson linebacker, Arturo Freeman, Manuel, Holiday, Frank Walker, Kuhn, even guys like Allen, Boerigter and Shaun Bodiford, etc.

Many, not all spent considerable time on the in-season roster.

Draft picks have to be your primary source, because it is a young mens league. As you develop a pipeline of young guys you like, you have players like House, Barclay, Newhouse, Banjo, Barrington, Mulumba, Shields, Starks, etc. Your patience sometimes pays off, like Shields almost immediately or sticking with Starks until this year. Sometimes you give up and maybe later wish you had kept guys on the 53 like Giacomini.

Sure, you still have needs, like safety in GB, but it's not like when you don't like your roster and you can go out for any good deal available, regardless of position.

Seattle blew-up their roster and basically started over. TT did a less drastic job of the same thing when he came to GB. I haven't studied Denver's depth pre-Elway, but I suspect it was thin.

Most teams eventually get to the point that they really don't want too many "new" old guys, because they also need to build for the future, and that is done with rookies.

That said, the very best GMs have a knack for keeping the pipeline full, yet being able to acquire selective experienced players to improve opportunities in a given year. I said here many years ago, before the SB in 2010, that the true test for a GM is pulling the trigger on a deal after you have the team almost where you want it. TT was able to win the SB without having to do that, other then the trade-up to get Matthews. He hasn't done it in the years since to fill specific glaring needs.

So far, TT, Elway and Schneider+ have all shown skill in blowing up a roster and turning it around very quickly. Only Thompson has proven that he can keep the pipeline full so as to have a shot at the playoffs year after year. Maybe Elway and Schneider+ can do it too, time will tell. None has shown the selected strike in the way I see it.