Classic McGinn--JS---"Packers should take Page out of Broncos Book"

[Patler]

The Packers followed up their SB championship with a 15-1 record, but a Divisional round exit. I think Seattle who has young and cheap (rookie contract) players like Wilson, Sherman, etc. that give them a leg up on rest of NFL.

There were scads of articles written in the off season before 2011 that said the same exact things about the Packers, but with the added enhancement for them being that they would get a bunch of starters back from IR. A team that won the Super Bowl the hard way (as a Wildcard with all away games) getting an infusion of experienced starters back. One of the major publications had an article about the Packers being a potential dynasty in the making, with the chance to win another Super Bowl or two before the inevitable breakup that would happen when Rodgers and Matthews future contracts would take huge chunks of the salary cap, and with TT having a steady stream of new cheap talent ready to take the pace of departing vets.

[Patler]

Thats called being a hater.

Naw, it's not being a hater. I just don't respect how some things have been done, so I can't get enthused about their success. The path is important, not just the destination.

[mraynrand]

this is where I want tt to do his biggest deal since Woodson. It is the one area he can make the most marked improvement. Going from complete crap to stud with the stroke of 9Mil a year.

who is this mystery db? Did you have someone particular in mind??

[bobblehead]

Thats called being a hater.

That does tend to be the response of one who achieves something through disreputable means and gets called on it.

[bobblehead]

who is this mystery db? Did you have someone particular in mind??

Yes, I have stated that I want a serious play for Jarius Byrd at least twice. I also am not one of those posters that wants all things FA. And to preempt your next point, I also realize it could cost us Cobb or Nelson, or some other FA of our own. And to explain it (because you seem to think I am one of those posters), we don't have any big time contributors on defense that need to be locked up next year. We need more talent on that side of the ball. I also think we will still find a way to sign cobb or nelson even if we have to cut someone who signed for a bit much to do it.

[denverYooper]

I can't say I'm a big fan of anybody there but Russell Wilson
But they have achieved greatness and you have to admire that and how they got there

You don't have to admire it at all. Especially if you suspect they might have achieved said "greatness" by unscrupulous means. I don't believe there was an East German-level chemical enhancement program, but there were an awful lot of red flags.

[Patler]

Yes, I have stated that I want a serious play for Jarius Byrd at least twice. I also am not one of those posters that wants all things FA. And to preempt your next point, I also realize it could cost us Cobb or Nelson, or some other FA of our own. And to explain it (because you seem to think I am one of those posters), we don't have any big time contributors on defense that need to be locked up next year. We need more talent on that side of the ball. I also think we will still find a way to sign cobb or nelson even if we have to cut someone who signed for a bit much to do it.

I don't disagree with that concept at all. I don't know if Byrd is the guy or not (very well could be), but the concept of maybe sacrificing a player on offense to bring someone in to bolster the defense is certainly legitimate. The idea is to strengthen the defense more than you weaken the offense, and with the remaining weapons on offense I think that can be done even if it is Cobb or Nelson that you end up losing.

[Rutnstrut]

that would be silly..............to play defense like Seattles....we just need several new defensive players on that side of the ball.

IMO, this is key. Give Rodgers and the offense a short field and hopefully early leads that are protected. I really don't think this coaching staff or offense, especially Rodgers are "built" to come from behind. They possibly would have been up a lot more this past season if not for squandered red zone opportunities, and that imo is stubby's stagnant play calling.

[mraynrand]

I really don't think this coaching staff or offense, especially Rodgers are "built" to come from behind.

Rodgers not built to come from behind? I totally disagree, but I also recognize that we don't see it as much since in the McCarthy era, the Packers just don't get in the hole all that much. Still, the greatest two wins of the year were fantastic come-from-behind victories (the win at Dallas was a win for the coaching staff, getting Flynn on fire) and at Chicago (the final winning drive was an epic, for the ages, come from behind drive by Rodgers).

Still, something has to be done about the red zone failures, but maybe a year of consistency will help - APRH - Having Finley or his replacement firmly ensconced in the offense, having better line play with the threat of the run, should help immensely. APRH!!!

[Pugger]

The Packers followed up their SB championship with a 15-1 record, but a Divisional round exit. I think Seattle who has young and cheap (rookie contract) players like Wilson, Sherman, etc. that give them a leg up on rest of NFL.

Until they have to pay these young and cheap players. It will also be interesting to see how well they draft at the end of each round. And will they continue to be as lucky in 2014 on the injury front like they were this year? All of these things will tell the tale.

[Pugger]

Yes, I have stated that I want a serious play for Jarius Byrd at least twice. I also am not one of those posters that wants all things FA. And to preempt your next point, I also realize it could cost us Cobb or Nelson, or some other FA of our own. And to explain it (because you seem to think I am one of those posters), we don't have any big time contributors on defense that need to be locked up next year. We need more talent on that side of the ball. I also think we will still find a way to sign cobb or nelson even if we have to cut someone who signed for a bit much to do it.

A guy like Byrd would do wonders for this defense but I think he will be too rich for Ted's blood. But hopefully there will be other players who might not be as good but will be a hell of lot better than anybody presently on our roster (that might not take much) and won't break the bank. I do hope we seriously look at these players AND draft a safety in the first few rounds - if there is anybody there worth taking of course. ILB is another position that needs upgrading. If these defensive issues can be addressed and we have a normal number of injuries instead of a MASH unit every year we can make some noise in 2014.

[Smidgeon]

Wasn't Byrd injured this year? Or was it last? Or was it someone else?

Was it a fluke injury like Sherrod's or a history of injuries like Harrell?

[mraynrand]

Wasn't Byrd injured this year? Or was it last? Or was it someone else?

Was it a fluke injury like Sherrod's or a history of injuries like Harrell?

I think he missed 5 or 6 games with a foot injury. Some thought he was dogging it. Turned down 7 mil/yr deal apparently (don't know the whole contract)

He hurt his back in the pro bowl too, but says he's OK.