MM's management style

[bobblehead]

i can't take this fucking place anymore

most you fucking idiots have your heads so far up the teams ass that you can't smell the shit

fuck this place

packer rats, home to the best packer cool aid around

DRINK UP

Red, you sum up how I feel in reverse. You act like we are defending the Bucks or the Brewers here (or Cleveland, or Detroit). Lets be honest though, this team has about the amount of talent a team can fit under the cap. There are no more Steelers/Bradshaw teams. The run we are having is damn good. Lord almighty, I fear what you might do when we put a truly inferior talent on the field. Worst of all, you get this intense about a game, but if someone mentions that our country is printing money like a fat kid eats chocolate you get pissed to no end because it shouldn't be talked about.

edit: In rereading my post I have figured it out. Red....are you an only child who has never been told no before by chance?

[Fritz]

Bobble, you overanalyze. Red's just an angry jaegermeister drinker who likes a pill or two on the side.

I don't often agree with Red, but I enjoy his rants.

[bobblehead]

Bobble, you overanalyze. Red's just an angry jaegermeister drinker who likes a pill or two on the side.

I don't often agree with Red, but I enjoy his rants.

I think when you rant that you can't take it anymore, and everyone who disagrees with you is stupid kool aid drinker, and throw in a fuck this place....your pill problem might be going a bit far.

Can you imagine Red's reaction if I posted "Fuck you Red, you are just a negative miserable motherfucker who is pissed at life for not handing you what you think you deserve. Take your head out of your ass before you post on packerrats"

His tone around here is exactly the tone that he whines and cries about when some of us want to discuss politics (in an area he has to specifically choose to go to).

Red acts like every asshole I know who can't handle not being surrounded by people who agree with everything he says and does. Probably texts while driving and talks on the phone at the movie theater then acts indignant when someone calls him out on it.

There, now I have over analyzed.

[pbmax]

red's saving grace is two-fold. When people freak out at his pessimism, he gets funnier, not loonier. Unlike a lot of posters whose panic grows worse under stress.

The second is my strong suspicion that if the Packers were rebuilding, he would be more sedate. I could be wrong about that.

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

red's saving grace is two-fold. When people freak out at his pessimism, he gets funnier, not loonier. Unlike a lot of posters whose panic grows worse under stress.

The second is my strong suspicion that if the Packers were rebuilding, he would be more sedate. I could be wrong about that.

Ok, which of you assholes chased red away?

[bobblehead]

red's saving grace is two-fold. When people freak out at his pessimism, he gets funnier, not loonier. Unlike a lot of posters whose panic grows worse under stress.

The second is my strong suspicion that if the Packers were rebuilding, he would be more sedate. I could be wrong about that.

In fairness, I don't mind Red ranting. I find it humorous mostly...I only mind that he is so indignant about the FYI stuff, or political references while being second only to skin in inflammatory style.

[bobblehead]

Ok, which of you assholes chased red away?

Anyone who defended TT or MM (to the best of my understanding, and yes, that would certainly include me).

[oldbutnotdeadyet]

Well, hope he comes back. What about Woody? Haven't seen him for awhile either. Maybe he died? I sorta enjoyed Woody's psycho posts.

[Patler]

What could be worse than getting stuck with a perennial playoff coach and Super Bowl winner?

Yes, I remember them all, which is why I say we are stuck with M3 until we go in the shitter again. Look how long those piss poor coaches lasted. And while I acknowledge all the points the M3 supporters make, there is nothing wrong with wanting MORE, or something better for the Packers. I want another Super Bowl. Getting to the playoffs, and getting knocked out early is getting old.

Most unsuccessful coaches haven't lasted that long in GB. Bengtson, 3 years; Devine, Gregg, and Infanti, 4 years. Rhodes, just one season. Sherman won a lot of games, and initially looked like a good one in the making; yet he lasted only six years. Starr is the only one who had a rather inexplicably long period as head coach.

[Patler]

I didn't start this thread to suggest that MM should be fired. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses in their job performance. I think MM has made some questionable hiring decisions, but there is a lot more to being a head coach than that. I just think it is something that he and the Packers should work to improve.

I thought his original staff was unimpressive, but chalked it up to an inexperienced HC not having drawing power.

I thought elevating Campen to the top O-line spot at the time he did was ridiculous. The guy had very insignificant coaching experience, and there were proven successful O-line coaches available at the time (I've forgotten who). For years under Campen, the O-lines for the Packers started seasons miserably, and it was mid-season before they started playing reasonably well. Maybe Campen has developed into a decent coach, some seem to think so, but the growing pains have been long and difficult. To me, it is just another indicator that Campen was not ready at the time, and MM should have brought in someone for Campen to work under for a few more years.

MM seemed to bounce around randomly for what he wanted in the strength and conditioning area. There has been a lot of turnover in personnel and in methods.

I thought maybe MM was getting his act together as a recruiter when he changed out his defensive staff. He brought in a fairly impressive group that was a good mixture of very experienced and respected veteran coaches, some up and coming younger coaches that looked good, and a freshly minted coach who you knew would make his presnce felt one way or another.

The elevation of Slocom made me wince a bit, but I was willing to give MM the benefit of the doubt on that one. But the combined moves now of firing and/or reassigning everyone under Slocom while keeping Slocom, and then hiring Zook is poor management form, in my opinion.

[mraynrand]

But the combined moves now of firing and/or reassigning everyone under Slocom while keeping Slocom, and then hiring Zook is poor management form, in my opinion.

It reminds of the strange move to fire the GM and keep the coach, both of whom are the same guy!

I suspect MM was trying to split the baby. He knows there have to be changes, but canning a guy indicates more chaos (In MM's mind; I'm guessing here). So in the interest of trying to look calm and measured, MM looks kinda foolish. Here's the thing he may forget: In football, especially in the NFL, guys get canned all the time, even if they are reasonably good at their jobs. In this scenario, Slocum would not be all that shocked at a dismissal, and would find work.

An alternative theory is that there is some sort of working relationship that MM does not want to lose. Perhaps they consult on improving red zone efficiency, for example

[run pMc]

I saw the hire of Zook as a meh move, but also one designed to put some heat on Slocum. If the ST's don't improve, we have your replacement in house. Of course, there's the risk Zook undermines Slocum, which would make the whole thing ugly. My guess is this isn't the first warning Slocum's had. As for giving Moss all the LB's, I'm not overly impressed with the play of the ILBs but that might be more of a physical limitation thing than a preparation thing...so maybe it will work. Overall, bringing in new coaches should help keep things from being stale, and in theory improve the energy and creativity in the building. Maybe Gizzi figures out a way to reduce hamstring injuries; that alone might win them an extra two games.

I've said this before, but I don't get the M3 hate. He's got a sharp mind for offense. He's won 3 NFCN straight titles and a SB, and he's been good against the rest of the division. Favre/Rodgers have a lot to say for his success, and IMO his rep as a QB guru is a little overrated, but he's been able to keep winning and lead the team through tough stretches injury-wise without losing them. My biggest complaint is he's not a great in-game adjuster, but you could say that about a lot of HC's. If he and the whole staff got canned, most (M3, Moss, Capers, Bennett, Campen, Van Pelt...) would get jobs elsewhere.

I'm with 3irty1, I think this is overanalyzing. I also agree that you want your HC to be calm. Let your DC be a raving maniac if you want, but your HC needs to be calm. It'd drive me crazy if M3 started acting like Harbaugh.

[Patler]

I don't think you can look at the hiring of Zook in isolation. It was only a part of MM's overall attempt to fix what has been wrong with special teams for a while now. MM's answer to the problem required 4 moves. Individually, not one of the moves raises on eyebrow. As a collective approach to solving a problem, it looks odd, especially with the absence of the 5th and overriding move, the firing of Slocom.

Ultimately, Slocom bears responsibility for the performance of the special teams. Has he been held accountable, or have others been made the scapegoats if not in fact at least in perception??

[bobblehead]

Well, hope he comes back. What about Woody? Haven't seen him for awhile either. Maybe he died? I sorta enjoyed Woody's psycho posts.

I could try to fill in for woody if it would make you feel better. With a bit of effort I can create a long incoherent multi colored poorly spaced post.

[bobblehead]

I thought elevating Campen to the top O-line spot at the time he did was ridiculous. The guy had very insignificant coaching experience, and there were proven successful O-line coaches available at the time (I've forgotten who).

Alex Gibbs was available very early on. My gripe with Campen is that he never worked in ZBS during his career. To my knowledge he never worked under a coach that taught it. Yet he was the choice to be the OL coach on a team that was running a Denver style ZBS using the cut blocks that Campen never executed during his career.