MM's management style

[woodbuck27]

so fritz, if he does stay 2 more years, he will have been the packers HC for 10 years

the second longest tenure in packer history only behind curly and his almost 30 years as a head coach.

after this next season he will have number all to himself, passing vince and bart, two packer legends though one wasn't a legend for his coaching

is he really that good? does he really deserve to reign that long in the most stories franchise in nfl history?

to me, he's peaked as a packer coach. i don't think he has what it takes to get us another super bowl, and he's just wasting the best years of our current HOF QB. and this last line can be applied to TT also

I read that and ...no kidding.

I cannot wait to see how this off season and season unwind.

Sadly I wouldn't bet a nickel on the Green Bay Packers and success in 2014.

There are just too many issues right now and as usual I see too much stagnation. This is sad for me to observe.

[woodbuck27]

red's saving grace is two-fold. When people freak out at his pessimism, he gets funnier, not loonier. Unlike a lot of posters whose panic grows worse under stress.

The second is my strong suspicion that if the Packers were rebuilding, he would be more sedate. I could be wrong about that.

Really what are the Packers doing right now pbmax?

Is there one member here that actually know the correct answer to that question?

What in hell is going on with TT and MM and the Green Bay Packers?

Someone...anyone here PLEASE help red and I and others that aren't all "jolly jumper fuzzy good feeling" about what we're seeing.

I feel like a homeless person might feel having to extract my meals out of a dumpster.

TT and MM don't give me much satisfaction....in terms of that team attitude approach I'm so high on. Always been high on as I've always felt like a winner but not now not with the Green Bay Packers.

It's NOT at al about winning. it's something more basic. A philosophical attitude I understand and can easily accept.

Where in hell is that and the Green Bay Packer management. That management as I view it lives in some vacuum of a pseudo paranoia. That clearly burns my ass. If I feel any frustration it's never for long as I'm a realist and know as a Packer fan I'm powerless unless more Packer fans see it as red and I and wist43 and others here do.

What do we get for seeing it our way. Ridicule and stinking rotten attitudes and derision from members that imagine their smarter than red and wist43 and woodbuck27. Smarter members with all manners of immature and rotten attitude. Members that imagine their somehow more tuned in or smarter and that we may deem are contradictory to that ....simply ... blind.

Expressed another more popular way.

Members in concert and always drinking that kool aid of delusion. My position is simply this:

For all of "YOU' that have signed up for it and carry that card...drink away. Heck drink yourselves more blind. Fill your boots. Your on one side and I'm on another. We see it simply differently. It's no huge deal. None of us has any real way to exercise something to influence a positive outcome except for through karma.

2011-13 ..what's changing the water on the beans? I'm not seeing what I feel we all deserve to see and that change in direction or attitude /philosophy. Some others here are somehow seeing it exactly to similarly as I do.

Is that really so shocking !?

[red]

right on woody

[mraynrand]

This is my suggestion for all those who can't stand Packer management: Take a tour through the blogs and online papers of the other 31 teams and see what you think (or, even pick the top 5 best teams other than the Packers). Then come back and evaluate TT and Stubby.

[red]

well thats just it, on other blogs and forums for other teams, the posters and writers are allowed to talk bad about the team and management. this site is cool aid central where the team can never do any wrong

look at other packer sites, they're having open discussions about things we aren't allowed to talk about or bring up. they have real discussions about thats that if brought up here, would result in the poster being a "crazy lunatic that obviously has no clue what they are talking about".

site is like the germans under hitler. "no, he's a good man, he's just trying to protect us from everybody else that wants to hurt us. that smoke and smell is nothing, its just the fuhrers way of showing his love to all the children"
mad should name this place delusionville

i have a feeling that is the guy who sweeps up after games in section 121 came up to you and said, "you know, the packer organization feel that it would be best forthe organization if you lowered your head and ran as fast as you can into that wall", three quarters of the people on here would say "OH yes sir, whatever you say mr packer employee person, if the team feels that would be the best thing to do. the teams never wrong about anything"

[denverYooper]

well thats just it, on other blogs and forums for other teams, the posters and writers are allowed to talk bad about the team and management. this site is cool aid central where the team can never do any wrong

look at other packer sites, they're having open discussions about things we aren't allowed to talk about or bring up. they have real discussions about thats that if brought up here, would result in the poster being a "crazy lunatic that obviously has no clue what they are talking about".

site is like the germans under hitler. "no, he's a good man, he's just trying to protect us from everybody else that wants to hurt us. that smoke and smell is nothing, its just the fuhrers way of showing his love to all the children"
mad should name this place delusionville

i have a feeling that is the guy who sweeps up after games in section 121 came up to you and said, "you know, the packer organization feel that it would be best forthe organization if you lowered your head and ran as fast as you can into that wall", three quarters of the people on here would say "OH yes sir, whatever you say mr packer employee person, if the team feels that would be the best thing to do. the teams never wrong about anything"

This rant coming in a thread called "MMs management style" wherein a respected poster offers a criticism of said management and other regular posters more or less agree. Then, surprisingly, dissenting opinions appear that move the discussion along. Point-counterpoint-etc, etc.

Aaaaaand then Godwin's Law.

[mraynrand]

Red, that's not even close to true. Simple example: "Stubby" stands for stubborn and tubby - because McCarthy is stubborn to a fault and overweight. The critiques of Thompson and Stubby are legion on this site. Your rant is pretty much the polar opposite - basically says that if we don't rant, we're Kool Aid drinkers. If that's how you want it, so be it, but it doesn't really invite any back and forth - kinda like trying to discuss Capers with Wist.

[mraynrand]

site is like the germans under hitler. "no, he's a good man, he's just trying to protect us from everybody else that wants to hurt us.

I was a real fan of Hitler until the Beer Hall Putsch and then the whole Mein Kampf blog. Just hanging with my peeps trying quaff a few lagers and ogle the blondes at the rathskeller and the guy goes all emo on us. How lame was that? #likeinsanemuch?

[denverYooper]

I was a real fan of Hitler until the Beer Hall Putsch and then the whole Mein Kampf blog. Just hanging with my peeps trying quaff a few lagers and ogle the blondes at the rathskeller and the guy goes all emo on us. How lame was that? #likeinsanemuch?

No kidding, the guy loses a painting contest or two and everything goes to shit.

[mraynrand]

The more I reflect on it, the more Stubby does parallel Hitler. It really is eerie. Thompson doesn't make for a realistic Von Hindenburg though. too much power, too stable on his feet. Maybe a pointy hat would help.

[pbmax]

No kidding, the guy loses a painting contest or two and everything goes to shit.

That's why I would ban all those send in a submission Art Schools that advertise on TV. Just asking for trouble.

[Joemailman]

well thats just it, on other blogs and forums for other teams, the posters and writers are allowed to talk bad about the team and management. this site is cool aid central where the team can never do any wrong

look at other packer sites, they're having open discussions about things we aren't allowed to talk about or bring up. they have real discussions about thats that if brought up here, would result in the poster being a "crazy lunatic that obviously has no clue what they are talking about".

Actually Red, the only person acting that way is you. I didn't find any instances in this thread, which has almost 100 responses, of anyone calling you a crazy lunatic. You, on the other hand, had this to say:

i can't take this fucking place anymore

most you fucking idiots have your heads so far up the teams ass that you can't smell the shit

fuck this place

packer rats, home to the best packer cool aid around

DRINK UP

So who is it that can't handle an open discussion of differing views?

[Zool]

well thats just it, on other blogs and forums for other teams, the posters and writers are allowed to talk bad about the team and management. this site is cool aid central where the team can never do any wrong

look at other packer sites, they're having open discussions about things we aren't allowed to talk about or bring up. they have real discussions about thats that if brought up here, would result in the poster being a "crazy lunatic that obviously has no clue what they are talking about".

site is like the germans under hitler. "no, he's a good man, he's just trying to protect us from everybody else that wants to hurt us. that smoke and smell is nothing, its just the fuhrers way of showing his love to all the children"
mad should name this place delusionville

i have a feeling that is the guy who sweeps up after games in section 121 came up to you and said, "you know, the packer organization feel that it would be best forthe organization if you lowered your head and ran as fast as you can into that wall", three quarters of the people on here would say "OH yes sir, whatever you say mr packer employee person, if the team feels that would be the best thing to do. the teams never wrong about anything"

Are you fucking kidding? If there were any more chicken littles on this site, the sky might actually fall down. If watching football makes you this upset you should stop watching. If you are trying to point out fault to make yourself look smart, it's not working. If this is all an internet persona, carry on.

To call this a Kool-aid site is just more complaining that gets many others to agree with you. If anything it's quite the opposite. And the only people who get an involuntary break from this place are trolls who get warned like 6000 times.

[mraynrand]

most you fucking idiots have your heads so far up the teams ass that you can't smell the shit

that's factually untrue. With my head that far up Stubby's ass, it's not even shit yet, it's just partially digested Golden Corral buffet. It still smells like chicken and corn at that point. I can take the accusations and the ranting, but can we at least maintain some scientific accuracy?

[Zool]

With my head that far up Stubby's ass, it's not even shit yet, it's just partially digested Golden Corral buffet.

So THAT's what they mean by chocolate fountain.