Packers re-sign Shields, 4 year $39 million

[mraynrand]

Shields is a much better corner then Davis, top 5 cover corner in the league IMO.

I agree. And I think the Packers expect him to get better.

[mraynrand]

I'll say all-around game, 90% of which is cover skills. Shields is awesome in that its a waste of time to try and get vertical on him but I just think that the bigger more physical wide receivers will get the better of him more often than not.

I think the Packers signed him because he can compete with these guys - Megatron, Marshall, Jeffrey, now Patterson and probably Evans. I'd say they get the better of him less often than not, or at the very least that's what the Packers are counting on.

[Brandon494]

I'm talking about coverage skills, not all around game. Also you can argue that Shields has faced tougher opponents then the guys mentioned above and they actually had safeties worth a shit covering their ass.

[mraynrand]

I'm talking about coverage skills, not all around game. Also you can argue that Shields has faced tougher opponents then the guys mentioned above and they actually had safeties worth a shit covering their ass.

Shields can stay with anyone, even if he gets pushed off, because of his speed. He also locates the ball well and competes. but sure, he can get shoved around a bit. That's the Deion in him.

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his speed really comes in handy in our system where our cb's cover their guys for 10 yards, then are suppose to pass them off to the safeties, who may or may not be there

when the safety isn't there, its nice to have that "oh shit" speed in order to try and catch back up to the wr's

[mraynrand]

when the safety isn't there, its nice to have that "oh shit" speed in order to try and catch back up to the wr's

[Smeefers]

I wouldn't call shields a top five, but he's a top 15, which is what we paid for. He's a second tier guy. Corners are expensive.

[mraynrand]

I like Shields over Hayden, is close to Peterman. Better coverage than Hayden, but not as good a tackler. Covers as well as Peterman, but not as stout at the point of attack. Just as good, if not better make up speed. Competes for the ball as well; not consistently as good making a play on the ball (less chance for INTs).

[Brandon494]

Shields isn't better then Hayden but hes a top 5 cover guy whos getting better at tackling. He can shut down WRs like AJ Green and Josh Gordon but still gives up big plays which I think has more do to the safety play behind him.

[pbmax]

his speed really comes in handy in our system where our cb's cover their guys for 10 yards, then are suppose to pass them off to the safeties, who may or may not be there

Best capsule I will read of the Packers defensive backfield in 2013. Repped.

EDITED TO CORRECT USER ERROR, CATEGORY EGREGIOUS

[Joemailman]

Best capsule I will read of the Packers defensive backfield in 2012. Repped.

2013?

[pbmax]

2013?

Can't really blame that on Auto Correct, can I?

[denverYooper]

his speed really comes in handy in our system where our cb's cover their guys for 10 yards, then are suppose to pass them off to the safeties, who may or may not be there

when the safety isn't there, its nice to have that "oh shit" speed in order to try and catch back up to the wr's

It looked like he covered for missing safeties more than once and it made him look bad at times. I have a feeling it made him look out of place and brought his grade down in outsider grading systems like PFF's.

[bobblehead]

I'll say all-around game, 90% of which is cover skills. Shields is awesome in that its a waste of time to try and get vertical on him but I just think that the bigger more physical wide receivers will get the better of him more often than not.

AJ Green and many others might disagree.

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no details yet on the davis deal other then its reported he got 20 million "guaranteed"

however detail on one of the colts other big additions has become available. the team reported that arthur jones got 16 million "guaranteed"

the details on jones are coming out. the signing bonus is 5.5 million, the first years salary is also "guaranteed" (duh they just signed the guy, of course he's getting that) bringing up to 10 million "guaranteed". his second years salary is 6 million. if they "guarantee" that, you get 16 million guaranteed

if we use that same logic and apply it to shields, we get the 12.5 signing bonus, 1.5 million 2014 salary "gauranteed", 2.5 million 2015 salary "guaranteed" and the 2.5 million dollar roster bonus in 2015 which is pretty much "guaranteed".

and you get 19 million "guaranteed", very close to the "guaranteed" money vontae got on a deal that looks to be almost the same deal

NAILED IT!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/vontae-davis/

vontae got a 5 million dollar signing bonus, fully guaranteed 2014 salary of 5 million (first year take home of 10 million, shields will get 14 million this year). next year he has a roster bonus of 6 million, and a "guaranteed" (not sure if its for injury only or not) base salary in 2015 of 4 million.

it could be a 1 year 10 million dollar deal if that 2015 salary is guaranteed for injury only. but i'f you're going to give him 10 million this year, why not give him 10 next year too? really his cap numbers never look all that bad except for 2015. his cap number is never more then the last 2 years of shields contract

so, sam will take home almost 15 million in 2014
vontae will take home 10

shields take home for the first 2 years is 21 million
vontae will take home 20 million over 2 years

here's shields numbers for comparison sake

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/sam-shields/

so even though it looked like the davis deal was larger because of the "guaranatees". shields actually got the bigger deal

so we come back to my statement that the packers and shields set the market, and no one has gotten as good of a deal anywhere else yet

hell, even revis is only going to take home 12 million this year compared to shields 15