Packers re-sign Shields, 4 year $39 million

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vontae davis just also signed a 4 year 39 million dollar deal with 20 million "guaranteed"

the deals could turn out to be pretty similar in the end

[HarveyWallbangers]

vontae davis just also signed a 4 year 39 million dollar deal with 20 million "guaranteed"

the deals could turn out to be pretty similar in the end

If it's truly $12.5M guaranteed vs. $20M guaranteed, then they aren't that similar. We'll see the numbers, but I think it may turn out that we got a decent deal here. I like Shields for his numbers more than Grimes for his numbers and Davis for his reported numbers. I'm not sure what to think about Verner. I haven't seen him that much, and I've read some "buyer beware" articles on him because supposedly he's the type of corner that needs to be in a specific scheme (little scheme flexibility).

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If it's truly $12.5M guaranteed vs. $20M guaranteed, then they aren't that similar. We'll see the numbers, but I think it may turn out that we got a decent deal here. I like Shields for his numbers more than Grimes for his numbers and Davis for his reported numbers. I'm not sure what to think about Verner. I haven't seen him that much, and I've read some "buyer beware" articles on him because supposedly he's the type of corner that needs to be in a specific scheme (little scheme flexibility).

like i've said before (and got bashed for it), when these numbers first get announced, "guaranteed" money usually includes signing bonuses, all roster bonuses, and any other bonuses during the coarse of the contract. they could also "guarantee" the first couple years of the contract, bringing up the guaranteed total

sams contract, he's here for at least 2 years. he's pretty much "guaranteed" to make 19.5 million (signing bonus+2015 roster bonus+2014 &2015 base salary+ 2014 workout bonus) plus there might be another 500,000 workout bonus in 2015, which would bring that "guaranteed" total to 20 million

i wouldn't be surprised to learn that davis' actual signing bonus is closer to what sam got. and i would bet their deals are almost exactly the same when we find out all of davis' numbers like we did for shields

[HarveyWallbangers]

like i've said before (and got bashed for it), when these numbers first get announced, "guaranteed" money usually includes signing bonuses, all roster bonuses, and any other bonuses during the coarse of the contract. they could also "guarantee" the first couple years of the contract, bringing up the guaranteed total

sams contract, he's here for at least 2 years. he's pretty much "guaranteed" to make 19.5 million (signing bonus+2015 roster bonus+2014 &2015 base salary+ 2014 workout bonus) plus there might be another 500,000 workout bonus in 2015, which would bring that "guaranteed" total to 20 million

i wouldn't be surprised to learn that davis' actual signing bonus is closer to what sam got. and i would bet their deals are almost exactly the same when we find out all of davis' numbers like we did for shields

The guaranteed money reported for Sam was spot on. Perhaps Davis isn't getting any roster or workout bonuses. If Sam gets a career ending injury this year, those roster and workout bonuses are not guaranteed and the Packers would not be on the hook for them. It will be interesting to see what Davis got. Pretty comparable players though.

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The guaranteed money reported for Sam was spot on. Perhaps Davis isn't getting any roster or workout bonuses. If Sam gets a career ending injury this year, those roster and workout bonuses are not guaranteed and the Packers would not be on the hook for them. It will be interesting to see what Davis got. Pretty comparable players though.

people keep saying reported "guaranteed" money is real guaranteed money, and its usually not the case

i fully intend to go through a lot of these reported numbers and show just how "guaranteed" these reported "guaranteed" numbers are

but i think i did that last year too, and everyone already forgot by this year and assumed that agents would never mislead anyone ever

so maybe i'll just say "fuck it"

[HarveyWallbangers]

people keep saying reported "guaranteed" money is real guaranteed money, and its usually not the case

i fully intend to go through a lot of these reported numbers and show just how "guaranteed" these reported "guaranteed" numbers are

but i think i did that last year too, and everyone already forgot by this year and assumed that agents would never mislead anyone ever

so maybe i'll just say "fuck it"

The reported guaranteed money for Shields was spot on. Reports said he got $12.5M guaranteed. They weren't inflated with the roster and workout bonuses. I don't know if that will be the case with Davis. We'll see.

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The reported guaranteed money for Shields was spot on. Reports said he got $12.5M guaranteed. They weren't inflated with the roster and workout bonuses. I don't know if that will be the case with Davis. We'll see.

suppose it really depends on the agent, they're usually the ones who "leak" the info

the shields info was spot on, and its very very rare to see all that info given when the deal is announced

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Well, any way you cut it, we're FAR better off than...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/11/jaguars-re-sign-cornerback-will-blackmon/

First line of TFA "The Jaguars have retained of their most experienced players." Oh my

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you're in the wrong thread again

Yep

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Since when did Sam Shields not have work ethic? For a guy that only played one year of CB in college and now is playing at a Pro Bowl level I'm pretty sure his worth ethic is just fine. Also noticed how he was a lot better at tackling this season then in the past.

I am a big member of the SS fan club, but I don't think many guys have Jarret Bush's work ethic. I also think SS got just a tad content when he came into camp and lost out on the depth chart in a message sent from MM a couple years back. He obviously put in some serious work, but Bush remains on the team for one major reason....as an example of hard work.

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vontae davis just also signed a 4 year 39 million dollar deal with 20 million "guaranteed"

the deals could turn out to be pretty similar in the end

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/11/buccaneers-agree-to-terms-with-alterraun-verner/

Now the real question is, "Why did the so-called "top free agent cornerback" get signed for CONSIDERABLY less than the next two on the list? Also, I wish we would have brought him in as a complement to Sammy.

With this deal on the table, didn't we kinda, just, really sorta overpay for Shields?

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I don't think many guys have Jarret Bush's work ethic.

I widdled it down for you